48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

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John Higgs
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48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by John Higgs » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:37 am

Good luck to Ravi Haria, Aditya Munshi & Leif Hafstad who are playing in the 48th Rilton Cup in Stockholm which starts today - round 1/9 at 3pm local time.

The event website is http://www.rilton.se

The lives games link is http://www.rilton.se/live/games.html

The chess-results link is http://chess-results.com/tnr354405.aspx?lan=6
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Re: 48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by David Sedgwick » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:18 pm

John Higgs wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:37 am
Good luck to Ravi Haria, Aditya Munshi & Leif Hafstad who are playing in the 48th Rilton Cup in Stockholm which starts today - round 1/9 at 3pm local time.

The event website is http://www.rilton.se

The lives games link is http://www.rilton.se/live/games.html

The chess-results link is http://chess-results.com/tnr354405.aspx?lan=6
I consider it very disappointing that these players are not playing at Hastings. Am I the only one to have that opinion?

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Re: 48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by Alex Holowczak » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:06 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:18 pm
John Higgs wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:37 am
Good luck to Ravi Haria, Aditya Munshi & Leif Hafstad who are playing in the 48th Rilton Cup in Stockholm which starts today - round 1/9 at 3pm local time.

The event website is http://www.rilton.se

The lives games link is http://www.rilton.se/live/games.html

The chess-results link is http://chess-results.com/tnr354405.aspx?lan=6
I consider it very disappointing that these players are not playing at Hastings. Am I the only one to have that opinion?
Last year, I asked some of the players who played in the Rilton Cup why they went there rather than Hastings. The answers seemed to be:
1. It was somewhere different, so it appealed from a holiday perspective.
2. It was stronger than Hastings.
3. It was cheaper than Hastings, even including the cost of the transport.
4. More of their friends were going there (including those who weren't English).

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Re: 48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by J T Melsom » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:11 pm

I've never played at either Hastings or the Rilton Cup, but I think I'd find Stockholm more appealing than Hastings, and in chess terms it seems a stronger event with the opportunity to play a more diverse less domestic field. It may be disappointing that Hastings no longer has the stature it had in the past, but I would find it hard to criticise the players.

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Re: 48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:01 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:06 pm
3. It was cheaper than Hastings, even including the cost of the transport.
I must say that one surprises me. In general, very little in Scandinavia is cheap.
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Re: 48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by Ian Thompson » Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:35 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:01 pm
Alex Holowczak wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:06 pm
3. It was cheaper than Hastings, even including the cost of the transport.
I must say that one surprises me. In general, very little in Scandinavia is cheap.
I'd say hotels are no more expensive than Hastings if you choose carefully and book well in advance. There are also cheaper B&Bs. Whilst you might pay a lot to eat in Swedish restaurants in Stockholm, there are plenty of Asian restaurants that are cheaper than the equivalent in England.

If you want to play in a 9 round one game a day tournament in Europe over Christmas and the New Year your only options are Hastings, Groningen and Stockholm. I'd say Stockholm is clearly the best for location and non-chess attractions and facilities.

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Re: 48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by Alex Holowczak » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:51 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:01 pm
Alex Holowczak wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:06 pm
3. It was cheaper than Hastings, even including the cost of the transport.
I must say that one surprises me. In general, very little in Scandinavia is cheap.
Apparently there was some sort of special deal that was on offer from the organisers that meant accommodation was cheap, at least in 2017/18.
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Re: 48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by Tim Harding » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:58 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:01 pm
Alex Holowczak wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:06 pm
3. It was cheaper than Hastings, even including the cost of the transport.
I must say that one surprises me. In general, very little in Scandinavia is cheap.
Rates quoted on the tournament website for B&B in the tournament hotel were:
http://www.rilton.se/hotel.html
The hotel is Scandic Continental, Vasagatan 22, Stockholm, subway station T-Centralen.
Hotel rooms are available at the following prices per night, including breakfast:

Single cabin room: 645 SEK
Single room standard: 795 SEK
Double cabin room (one bed): 745 SEK
Double room standard: 895 SEK
Triple room (three beds): 995 SEK
... Important information for all players under 18: At the hotel children under 18 are not allowed to stay in a separate room, they need to stay with an adult who is at least 24 years old.
Note that last sentence.
Currently 1 Swedish krona equals 0.088 GBP or 0.097 Euro so 895 for a double room equates to £78.56 or 87 Euro (per night for 10 nights).
How does that compare with Hastings?

There is also a Rilton Elo tournament for players rated below 2200 though they do seem to accept a small number of entrants below that rating into the Rilton Cup proper.
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Re: 48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:17 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:58 pm

How does that compare with Hastings?
I was able to get a single room with breakfast at the Chatsworth for £ 58.50 a night over this coming weekend. I think you can get about £ 10 - £ 15 cheaper in some other establishments. I doubt that in Copenhagen, you could beat the prices for food and drink at the Wetherspoons.

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Re: 48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:18 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:18 pm
I consider it very disappointing that these players are not playing at Hastings. Am I the only one to have that opinion?
In an ideal world it would be nice if English players chose English events over those abroad but if you compare the two line ups it would be very hard to say that Ravi would be better off playing at Hastings than Stockholm and that's without the added advantage of being more likely to face opponents that he's not played before in Sweden.

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Re: 48th Rilton Cup, Stockholm.

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:21 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:17 pm
I was able to get a single room with breakfast at the Chatsworth for £ 58.50 a night over this coming weekend. I think you can get about £ 10 - £ 15 cheaper in some other establishments. I doubt that in Copenhagen, you could beat the prices for food and drink at the Wetherspoons.
I am paying £349 for nine nights at a B&B near the sea front. Reviews are good, I shall know more soon! As Roger says, the beer will be a great deal better and cheaper than at the Rilton, although that probably should not be a primary consideration for our juniors.
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