Telegraph report about Austria

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:17 am

Re:Chess Scotland.
The forum there is on the official site of Chess Scotland so it is
only correct that it is moderated by a CS official.

Being the offical site they have to be a bit more careful what they allow thorugh.
I've never had a problem with them. (no posts pulled that I can think of.)

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Angus McDonald » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:26 am

So it's a bit like CJ moderating this forum if it were on the ECF site. Which ofcourse it isn't.

As Geoff has said the CEO decides what he lets through.

Which also means as I said earlier that it isn't openly democratic.

It could and should be moderated by any member of Chess Scotland who has the credentials to do so.

Just as when Andy started moderating the forum he wasn't an elected official of Chess Scotland.

Apologies for posting this here. I have left the CS forum because of partisan forum moderation.

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:39 am

Daily Mail have joined in (about Austria, not Scotland)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml


Our community is "usually serene" they say.

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Andrew Camp » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:05 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote:Daily Mail have joined in (about Austria, not Scotland)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml


Our community is "usually serene" they say.
So much so, they used the word twice.

Looks like the kid is about to play Bird's Opening in the pic. Worth noting.
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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:20 pm

"I have been saying for a considerable time (before last year's events) that the ECF needed some structure in place. The proposed measures to be discussed at the AGM, in my view, are unsatisfactory because they are not clearly independent."

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:22 pm

Andrew Camp wrote: Looks like the kid is about to play Bird's Opening in the pic. Worth noting.
Probably not greatly relevant, but it was the youngest who got the Bronze, not the oldest.

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Peter D Williams » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:35 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote:Daily Mail have joined in (about Austria, not Scotland)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml


Our community is "usually serene" they say.
The daily mail article says He has complained to British police and Norfolk Police are arranging to take a statement from him.

If a formal complaint is made to the police.The police had a duty to investigate this matter and have a policy of taking any alleged acts of racism very serious often leading to court.The police encourage any one who believes they suffered racism or if you witness racism to report it to them at once.This could well be taken out of the ECF hands.

i have been on these type of trips before with Peter and i can say that the food is often not good. When we last went i had to make other arrangements to eat out! but of course you got to have the money to do this otherwise your stuck in the hotel!
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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:45 pm

Peter D Williams wrote:The daily mail article says ....
is rarely a wise way to start a sentence.

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:03 pm

Hi Angus.

I said:

"...they have to be a bit more careful what they allow thorugh."

Potential sponsors, newcomers etc...
It's not as exciting as this forum but this forum does not represent a national body.
The CS site and the forum is there to promote Scottish Chess.

Just read the rest of this thread:

The picture of the bruises on that child clearly indicate this is more than
a misunderstanding which I and most of us thought was the original case.

This has nothing to do with chess and someone now has the very difficult job of pulling
chess out of this matter without a stink that can linger for years to come and the game
losing at least 3 talented young players.
I think we can do without the "I told you so" attitude that is breeding in this thread
and give who ever it is our full support.

Well done to the young chess player Ieysaa Bin-Suhayl for picking up a bronze medal
in what sounds like very difficult cirmcumstances.

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Angus McDonald » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:09 pm

A fresh start!

A fresh start would involve a certain person apologising for using his position of power and authority to publicly defame myself on the
Chess Scotland noticeboard. In general we are equals on these boards until the moderator intervenes. I havn't yet seen Carl intervene to falsely accuse anybody of anything.
The post Andy objected to was benign compared to posts made by directors and former directors of Chess Scotland on the same thread. FACT
Hope you are keeping up Andy.

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Carl Hibbard » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:11 pm

Angus McDonald wrote:The post Andy objected to was benign compared to posts made by directors and former directors of Chess Scotland on the same thread. FACT

Hope you are keeping up Andy.
I might however intervene if this sort of thing persists, it is not relevant what the policy is or what "happened" over there is it?
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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Angus McDonald » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:13 pm

Geoff,

The objection which Andy made to my post was untrue. It made no criticism of selectors.

I agree. Congratulations to the youngster who won bronze for 'England'!

Carl I will shut up now. I have made the points I wish to make.

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Peter D Williams » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:17 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote:
Peter D Williams wrote:The daily mail article says ....
is rarely a wise way to start a sentence.
I will start a sentence any way i like.I do not need your approval or permission to post on here.We only need the permission of the moderator.

The food issue at junior events aboard does need looking into.The food was not good the last time we went.The food was often served cold and very little choice was given and who would you complain to? I just made other arrangements to eat out! Not that it will effect us again as Peter will not be playing in these type of events.
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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Alan Walton » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:22 pm

Peter D Williams wrote:
Jonathan Bryant wrote:
Peter D Williams wrote:The daily mail article says ....
is rarely a wise way to start a sentence.
I will start a sentence any way i like.I do not need your approval or permission to post on here.We only need the permission of the moderator.
Peter, I am presuming you are being sarcastic here, I thought it was quite a good joke and light-hearted

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Re: Telegraph report about Austria

Post by Peter D Williams » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:39 pm

[quote="Geoff Chandler



(quote Geoff Chandler) "This has nothing to do with chess and someone now has the very difficult job of pulling
chess out of this matter without a stink that can linger for years to come and the game
losing at least 3 talented young players".


Our game loses many young chess players over issues that are not dealt with in a fair way by the ECF I think a standard response to any complaint is its all misunderstanding or silence is anther tactic used by the ECF or it all happened to long ago so we can not help.

I think this issue will be taken out of the hands of the ECF and the police will investigate the matter fully if its true the family have made a formal complaint to the police.
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