In fairness to Mark he is 132 points higher than CherniaevMartin Crichton wrote:Interesting comment John
we can probably look at the UK model as an example
among the top chess pros... probably Adams and Short are doing well... then there is a big drop in ratings to the likes of Hebden, Cherniev, Arkell etc..
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How much would the equivalent world-ranked tennis player to Hebden earn per year?Martin Crichton wrote: What would the average salary in the UK be? maybe £28k?
certainly Adams and Short would be making a good living from chess.. the rest of the professional players? I doubt it.
Not very much.
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Let's say that Mark is 500th in the world. He is also a very active player.stevencarr wrote:How much would the equivalent world-ranked tennis player to Hebden earn per year?Martin Crichton wrote: What would the average salary in the UK be? maybe £28k?
certainly Adams and Short would be making a good living from chess.. the rest of the professional players? I doubt it.
Not very much.
Looking at the world tennis rankings from 501 down
http://www.atpworldtour.com/rankings/si ... 3&r=501&c=#
the active players don't earn that much - maybe $8- or $9,000 at most, but that won't include sponsorship deals, if any. It also won't include their doubles winnings - many are better at doubles, and it pays well.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Play ... euchi.aspx
I suppose there is no equivalent in chess.
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Adam, your example isn't quite right. The first figure is 2013 earnings, the second is career earnings, all forms of tennis. So this guy is 26 and has earned $9k this year and $67k in his career, or about £40k. Assuming he turned pro at age 21, that is £8k a year. There won't be any sponsors that far down - GB's Dan Evans got his first sponsorship deal just recently when he got to the third round of the US Open, and before that he was about number 250.
I would guess Mark, who is about 450 in the world, earns more than that each year.
I would guess Mark, who is about 450 in the world, earns more than that each year.
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I hope he does one way or another! From what I can tell from the example I know of, survival on writing chess books/articles etc seems to be possible but astonishingly hard work.
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I will don my "Mystic Meg" hat and predict a comment from regular bloggers along the lines of:
"This work ethic is eased somewhat by recycling material from other persons publications without attribution along with past publications from ones own portfolio"MartinCarpenter wrote: survival on writing chess books/articles etc seems to be possible but astonishingly hard work.
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Also the expenses of being a tennis player are much higher than chess.
However, in some countries, including Britain, there is income from coaching in each of chess and tennis.
In chess, particularly in this country, there is additional income from writing.
We have reason to be envious of football and golf players and the superstars of other sports, but few others.
Some bridge players make good money by being paid to partner players. Rubber bridge, poker and backgammon can't be compared.
There is a culture of playing blitz for money, but not in this country. I used to do so in NY in the 1960s, Roelof Westra did so in Montreal.
However, in some countries, including Britain, there is income from coaching in each of chess and tennis.
In chess, particularly in this country, there is additional income from writing.
We have reason to be envious of football and golf players and the superstars of other sports, but few others.
Some bridge players make good money by being paid to partner players. Rubber bridge, poker and backgammon can't be compared.
There is a culture of playing blitz for money, but not in this country. I used to do so in NY in the 1960s, Roelof Westra did so in Montreal.
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Though it was possible to find high-stakes blitz chess in London not so very long ago, I believe. (I say so from anecdote rather than experience.)
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these various comparisons to other sports are a bit off topic...however if we assume Mark Hebden is your typical average UK professional chess player (and he may be among the higher earning ones IMO) my point is that I would guess he is still earning a lot less than your average Joe with an average Job in the street.
A career in chess is not a good choice!
In london for example I cannot imagine anyone surviving on less than £500 take home pay a week. Unless they have very little outgoings - maybe young with no family, no mortgage - still living and relying on the bank of mum and dad.
Will chess provide this essential income on a regular basis? Keep chess as a hobby and choose a career in a sector that pays well.
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In london for example I cannot imagine anyone surviving on less than £500 take home pay a week. Unless they have very little outgoings - maybe young with no family, no mortgage - still living and relying on the bank of mum and dad.
Will chess provide this essential income on a regular basis? Keep chess as a hobby and choose a career in a sector that pays well.
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I suppose it depends upon what motivates you. Spending a lifetime in some inane job, or following your passion - and sacrificing money to do so. If you live out of London you can live a lot more modestly. I say congratulations to the lucky few who get to play 'for a living'!Martin Crichton wrote: A career in chess is not a good choice!
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interesting sentiment...no doubt as a chess euthusiast you might think that playing chess for a living is a fantastic career because you are doing something you enjoy!
I doubt very much wheter most professional chess players feel that way. Most look like they are suffering at various stages wheter it is in a single game or a long succession of tournaments....
Ian Rogers retired recently on medical grounds...in his interview he states that his GP informed him that chess was not good for his health! Chess is a mental drain to any serious player. Might explain why it is a young persons game at the top level...after 40 you are over the hill
I doubt very much wheter most professional chess players feel that way. Most look like they are suffering at various stages wheter it is in a single game or a long succession of tournaments....
Ian Rogers retired recently on medical grounds...in his interview he states that his GP informed him that chess was not good for his health! Chess is a mental drain to any serious player. Might explain why it is a young persons game at the top level...after 40 you are over the hill
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Not necessarily a 'fantastic career', but then some people would rather pursue their own interests than fulfilling a lifetime of dull, monotonous work!interesting sentiment...no doubt as a chess euthusiast you might think that playing chess for a living is a fantastic career because you are doing something you enjoy!
But then you have Victor Korchnoi who and the reports of chess helping you to keep your marbles as a pensioner. Also Mark Hebden may disagree about being over the hill...Ian Rogers retired recently on medical grounds...in his interview he states that his GP informed him that chess was not good for his health! Chess is a mental drain to any serious player. Might explain why it is a young persons game at the top level..after 40 you are over the hill
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Stewart Reuben>When I was graduating I had an interview in 1961 with Unilever. They asked me what I would regard as success in my career. I responded, 'Waking up in the morning and thinking, Oh good, work today....<
Hi Stewart, instead of graduating I had an interview with Unilever in the 1970s. Don't recall that they asked me what I'd regard as success in my career but I do remember thinking at the time - "Get up in the morning, slaving for bread, sir, so that every mouth can be fed..."
Hi Stewart, instead of graduating I had an interview with Unilever in the 1970s. Don't recall that they asked me what I'd regard as success in my career but I do remember thinking at the time - "Get up in the morning, slaving for bread, sir, so that every mouth can be fed..."
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>Ian Rogers retired recently on medical grounds...in his interview he states that his GP informed him that chess was not good for his health!<
Ian was taking a diuretic to help with his kidney function. WADA bans the use of diuretics because they can mask steroids. So he gave up the diuretic and continued playing chess. Commonsense later came to the FIDE Medical Commission in the form of Dr Jana Bellin as chairman, had he consulted her, he wouldn't have given them up. Presumably when he retired from chess, he had a healthier life syle because there were then no nonsensical strictures against taking pills that were good for you.
Ian was taking a diuretic to help with his kidney function. WADA bans the use of diuretics because they can mask steroids. So he gave up the diuretic and continued playing chess. Commonsense later came to the FIDE Medical Commission in the form of Dr Jana Bellin as chairman, had he consulted her, he wouldn't have given them up. Presumably when he retired from chess, he had a healthier life syle because there were then no nonsensical strictures against taking pills that were good for you.