Is this limited to arbiters Roger?Roger de Coverly wrote: The problem is with arbiters with a sense of importance
Do you know of any League Controllers who share this alleged sense of importance?
Is this limited to arbiters Roger?Roger de Coverly wrote: The problem is with arbiters with a sense of importance
Provided that "no penalty" is part of the said discretion, then yes, otherwise they will just formally or informally ignore the FIDE rule. Heavy handed application of rules where discretion or a warning could have been a better approach is however an ECF characteristic for its own events.Richard Bates wrote:I don't see why it is an issue for evening league chess etc at all. Both evening leagues i play in, and the SCCU Counties competition already ignore the existing rule on mobile phone defaults, and if anything this new version arguably brings them back into the official fold since the penalties are now at the discretion of the tournament organiser.
Unless the rule is set aside for purposes of the competition, or they deem that a non penalty is a penalty, arbiters will feel obliged by the latest Laws of Chess taking effect from 1st July 2014, to do something.Nick Burrows wrote: Playing in Paignton, I had it turned off, placed to the side of the board for all to see. How could I possibly cheat? This is getting ridiculous.
They aren't required, but they have the power under the Laws of Chess to do so if needed. I'll leave it to the lawyers to argue on the legality, but sports give investigators powers to demand blood or urine samples on pain of suspension if you refuse to comply.Robert Stokes wrote: If someone turns up at a competition with a phone in their pocket switched off, are the arbiters required to search them? Would it be legal?
I don't know about the legality per se, but I can draw an analogy. In football, the laws of the game were changed to say thatRobert Stokes wrote:If someone turns up at a competition with a phone in their pocket switched off, are the arbiters required to search them? Would it be legal?
This has held up in court, based on the argument that participation in a game of football is voluntary and that if you choose to participate, you are choosing to be bound by the laws of the game. Perhaps the same logic applies? Not that I am planning full scale body searches at e2e4 events!A referee (or where applicable, an assistant referee or fourth official) is not held liable for:
any kind of injury suffered by a player, official or spectator
any damage to property of any kind
any other loss suffered by any individual, club, company, association or other body, which is due or which may be due to any decision that he may take under the terms of the Laws of the Game or in respect of the normal
procedures required to hold, play and control a match
It's always been forbidden to consult external resources in over the board chess, if not in correspondence. But you are right, a law originally introduced so as to handle the disturbance factor arising from phone calls taking place during games has been sent in the direction of an anti-cheating measure without properly giving thought to the nature of the devices concerned.David Williams wrote:This law outlaws devices that can communicate. Is there some other law that outlaws devices that can analyse chess games? I would have thought that was more of an issue.
I did the same thing at a tournament (abroad) a year or two ago, with the phone on the table and the battery blatantly removed. The arbiters, obviously concerned at the sight of a phone nearby the game, told me to put it back in my pocket!Nick Burrows wrote:My phone is too big to comfortably fit in my pocket. Playing in Paignton, I had it turned off, placed to the side of the board for all to see. How could I possibly cheat? This is getting ridiculous.