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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Paul Dargan » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:26 pm

Some Radio 4 programme called Wood Pushers I just found on iplayer. NY chess hustlers I suspect from the pic ... will download and have a listen on the train.


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Re: Media comments on chess

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Ian Kingston » Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:53 pm

Deciding question in the head-to-head round of today's Pointless: Chess Greats. Just give the surname from these clues:

Magnus C
Anatoly K
Garry K
Vladimir K
Bobby F

Shouldn't tax anyone here!

(Scores; 8, 17, 37, 3 and 55 respectively.)

In the show, Carlsen and Fischer were correctly chosen.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:15 pm

Heh. More people recognised Karpov than Carlsen? That is surprising. But more people recognised Carlsen than Kramnik. Well, not by much, but still, Vlad-the-nearly-pointless? I wonder which chess world champions would have been pointless?

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:28 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Heh. More people recognised Karpov than Carlsen? That is surprising. But more people recognised Carlsen than Kramnik. Well, not by much, but still, Vlad-the-nearly-pointless? I wonder which chess world champions would have been pointless?
Smyslov is probably the least-known among chess players. Among the general public, probably anyone pre-Spassky has a chance of being pointless.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Lewis Martin » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:38 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Christopher Kreuzer wrote:Heh. More people recognised Karpov than Carlsen? That is surprising. But more people recognised Carlsen than Kramnik. Well, not by much, but still, Vlad-the-nearly-pointless? I wonder which chess world champions would have been pointless?
Smyslov is probably the least-known among chess players. Among the general public, probably anyone pre-Spassky has a chance of being pointless.
I was trying to decide whether Carlsen or Kramnik would be the lowest. It did surprise me Kasparov was as low as it was. The Carlsen answer was actually a guess, or rather, that person just had something in the back of his mind.

I'd be surprised if Capablanca was pointless, but it may well happen in some cases in terms of random selection.

I'd agree that amongst chess players, Smyslov would be the least known. I'd probably struggle to name him too if at some point I was demanded to list all the world chess champions on the spot. It probably is because he isn't really 'glorified' in modern times at least. I suppose Euwe would run him close.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Richard James » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:47 pm

I visited a local primary school chess club the other day and asked the children if they knew the names of any famous chess players.

One boy raised his hand and told me he knew the name of a famous player from the past. I asked who it was, anticipating Bobby Fischer and was surprised when he said "Capablanca".

I then asked if anyone knew the name of the current world champion, but none of them did.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:55 pm

Richard James wrote:One boy raised his hand and told me he knew the name of a famous player from the past. I asked who it was, anticipating Bobby Fischer and was surprised when he said "Capablanca".
Sounds like he happened to read a book that mentioned Capablanca. Someone's first introduction to chess can be very random if you pick up a book in the local or school library. That was partly what got me into chess problems, because there was a book on that in my (secondary) school library.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Paul Dargan » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:15 pm

Surely Pono, Khalifman et al from the FIDE version of the title are the best shots at pointless answers?

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Paul Dargan wrote:Surely Pono, Khalifman et al from the FIDE version of the title are the best shots at pointless answers?
Even an audience of chess players might struggle to recall them. You only remember Khalifman because of Kasparov's "tourist" jibe.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:42 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Paul Dargan wrote:Surely Pono, Khalifman et al from the FIDE version of the title are the best shots at pointless answers?
Even an audience of chess players might struggle to recall them.
An audience of chess players other than Lewis Martin, perhaps.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:27 pm

I decided to look up Wikipedia's view of the status of the players who won the 'World Championship' from the big knockout tournaments.
1999-2000 (FIDE) Alexander Khalifmn
2000-2002 FIDE) Viswanathan Anand
2002-2004 (FIDE) Ruslan Ponomariov
2004-2005 (FIDE) Ruslan Kasimdzhanov
2005-2006 (FIDE) Veselin Topalov
Of course later Vishy won the reuinified title.
But FIDE have written the 1999-2006 titles out of their history books. Kirsan never refers to them. Do they still count at all?

Have you noticed that the careers of Ponomariov and Topalov were severely damaged during their period as 'World Champion'. Their manager at the time was Danailov who has a great deal to answer for.

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Geoff Chandler » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:30 am

I caught Pointless and figured Fischer first and Kramnik would be lowest.
When I saw 'Chess Greats' I thought it was going to be Anagrams.

Pity the two lads never chose The Beatles - reckon I would have done OK on that.

I'm thinking Max Euwe might score under Smsylov if we go for Champions from Steiitz to Kasparov.

I once set this as poser on another Forum - Which Letter comes next?

SLCAEABSBTBPSFK

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:13 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote: I once set this as poser on another Forum - Which Letter comes next?

SLCAEABSBTBPSFK
You've kind of given it away. 'K' (for Kasparov).

How about this sequence?

MVVGABBTMMMVMAMAJE

What is the next (and last) letter in that sequence?

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Re: Media comments on chess

Post by Tristan Clayton » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:59 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
How about this sequence?

MVVGABBTMMMVMAMAJE

What is the next (and last) letter in that sequence?
Nice one. I originally thought 'Mercury, Venus...' then quickly ran out of space.

Glad to see only two Vs after the initial M rather than three. :)
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