Greatest English Chess Players

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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:14 pm

But what of his games? He is not even in any databases from what I can see, if it is the same man, and his tournament results were fairly lacklustre - seems like atkins was the stronger player of that generation.


I have updated the list and made a place for Jon speelman for now, but need a bit more of a case if blackburne is to get up there
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:16 pm

Joey Stewart wrote:... nobody has ever attempted to create such a list
I doubt that very much.

Anyway, I'd put Nige top. He fought his way to a world championship match. Nobody can say anything similar (I dont count Adams' FIDE achievement as being in the same league).
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:19 pm

Joey Stewart wrote: Well miles really didnt actually acomplish a whole lot
You really are on thin ice.
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:20 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote:
Joey Stewart wrote:... nobody has ever attempted to create such a list
I doubt that very much.

Anyway, I'd put Nige top. He fought his way to a world championship match. Nobody can say anything similar (I dont count Adams' FIDE achievement as being in the same league).
Type it into google then, you will see what I mean. I was as surprised as you will be.
Nigel is certainly a strong contender, given his 30ish years in the world top 100 and various successes, but unlike some of the "what if" matches from this list we have actual games against Adams and he seems to come off slightly worse in their encounters.
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:22 pm

Joey Stewart wrote:
JustinHorton wrote: World Junior Champion for instance. The win against Karpov was also a sensational result.

I think everybody on the list has a win against a world champion to their name.
Which world champions did Atkins and Hodgson beat? Or Jones, as yet? Has David Howell beaten one?
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:23 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Joey Stewart wrote: Well miles really didnt actually acomplish a whole lot
You really are on thin ice.
I have never doubted that he was a fantastic grandmaster who inspired generations of great british talent but this list really is about the cream of the cream and I just think that some of the other players feats slightly outshine him.
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:24 pm

Come to that, which world champions lost to Staunton? I was under the impression he died a dozen years before the title existed.
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:25 pm

Joey Stewart wrote:He is not even in any databases from what I can see
Provided you are consulting a database that contains games from 1860 to 1914, you should find hundreds. He was a participant at the 1895 Hastings for example.
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:25 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Joey Stewart wrote:
JustinHorton wrote: World Junior Champion for instance. The win against Karpov was also a sensational result.

I think everybody on the list has a win against a world champion to their name.
Which world champions did Atkins and Hodgson beat? Or JOnes, as yet? Has David Howell beaten one?
I am not just including official games
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:26 pm

Joey Stewart wrote:Who is this blackburn guy? Not heard of him before.
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:26 pm

Joey Stewart wrote:
JustinHorton wrote:
Joey Stewart wrote:

I think everybody on the list has a win against a world champion to their name.
Which world champions did Atkins and Hodgson beat? Or JOnes, as yet? Has David Howell beaten one?
I am not just including official games
Would you include some unofficial ones for us?
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:28 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Joey Stewart wrote:
JustinHorton wrote: Which world champions did Atkins and Hodgson beat? Or JOnes, as yet? Has David Howell beaten one?
I am not just including official games
Would you include some unofficial ones for us?
There is no way to get the moves, you will just have to take my word for it.
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:30 pm

Joey Stewart wrote:There is no way to get the moves, you will just have to take my word for it.
That's OK, just tell us when these games took place.
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by Joey Stewart » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:33 pm

I would have to do a little research on that for you. Justin.

In the meantime, why dont you give us your version of the top 10 list and see how it compares to mine.
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Re: Greatest English Chess Players

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:34 pm

It's OK, Joey, I'm happy to sit back and learn from you.
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