What should happen in this situation?
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What should happen in this situation?
Player A and Player B are playing chess. Player B makes his move, but does not press his clock.
A teammate of player B watching the game, tells player B that he should press his clock after his move.
Player A now claims the game due to assistance from a teammate.
If you are an arbiter in this situation what would you do?
A teammate of player B watching the game, tells player B that he should press his clock after his move.
Player A now claims the game due to assistance from a teammate.
If you are an arbiter in this situation what would you do?
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
Expel the offender and continue the game according to that below.
12.7
If someone observes an irregularity, he may inform only the arbiter. Players in other games are not to speak about or otherwise interfere in a game. Spectators are not allowed to interfere in a game. The arbiter may expel offenders from the playing venue.
12.7
If someone observes an irregularity, he may inform only the arbiter. Players in other games are not to speak about or otherwise interfere in a game. Spectators are not allowed to interfere in a game. The arbiter may expel offenders from the playing venue.
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
Player A should win. Anyone that sad clearly needs cheering up.
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
Yes, but shouldn't there also be some punishment for the team? If the offender is still playing his own game, then expulsion would be quite serious, but this generally happens when the teammate's own game is finished.MJMcCready wrote:Expel the offender and continue the game according to that below.
I saw this happen quite blatantly at an Olympiad - I think the victims were USA and the match result was affected. I felt at the time that the problem needed to be addressed, and I still do.
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
It even happened to me about 25 years ago, some form of punishment should be in order I suppose, some additional minutes added or something.
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
Well, you cheered me up with a great responseMichael Farthing wrote:Player A should win. Anyone that sad clearly needs cheering up.
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
The player could be an innocent party - in a league you could fine the team a game point perhaps.
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
I think that would be fully justified. This behaviour is cheating, pure and simple.Kevin Thurlow wrote: in a league you could fine the team a game point perhaps.
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
Obviously, no one should interfere with the game.Michael Farthing wrote:Player A should win. Anyone that sad clearly needs cheering up.
Outside of top-level chess though, do you really want to win a game because your opponent forgot to press their clock? I will wait a few moments then point it out myself if my opponent forgets. What's the alternative? Sit there for 15, 20 minutes until their time runs down and they notice? It's only a game. What happened to sportsmanship? I would be pretty unhappy to win a game simply because I watched my opponent's time run out.
That's my 2c worth. Of course, there will be many others who believe you should win by any means possible. Hey, life's too short....
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
What do you do if your opponent makes a move, forgets to press his clock, then dashes out of the room for a 'comfort break'?
When they come back in the room they might see their clock going and assume you've made a move.
Or they could accuse you of fiddling the clock in their absence. All sorts of possibilities for an argument to develop.
In normal circumstances I find it hard to concentrate anyway if my opponent hasn't pressed the clock. I usually warn them the
first two or three times, but after that I try to forget about it and take a reasonable amount of time, make my move then pointedly
tap the button on my side.
When they come back in the room they might see their clock going and assume you've made a move.
Or they could accuse you of fiddling the clock in their absence. All sorts of possibilities for an argument to develop.
In normal circumstances I find it hard to concentrate anyway if my opponent hasn't pressed the clock. I usually warn them the
first two or three times, but after that I try to forget about it and take a reasonable amount of time, make my move then pointedly
tap the button on my side.
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
No, I mention it if I notice, at least the first time, but that isn't the question being asked. If a teammate tells them, that is cheating.Ray Sayers wrote: Outside of top-level chess though, do you really want to win a game because your opponent forgot to press their clock?
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
You forgot to quote my first sentence though, which basically agrees with that.NickFaulks wrote:No, I mention it if I notice, at least the first time, but that isn't the question being asked. If a teammate tells them, that is cheating.Ray Sayers wrote: Outside of top-level chess though, do you really want to win a game because your opponent forgot to press their clock?
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
Fair enough, no disagreement.Ray Sayers wrote:You forgot to quote my first sentence though, which basically agrees with that.NickFaulks wrote:No, I mention it if I notice, at least the first time, but that isn't the question being asked. If a teammate tells them, that is cheating.Ray Sayers wrote: Outside of top-level chess though, do you really want to win a game because your opponent forgot to press their clock?
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
Is the only penalty available to the arbiter to expell the offending player from the room?
In that case what would stop a club using their best player to give advice on moves to teammates during the game?
Of course it could be said that player B had got advice in accordance with chess rule 11.3a: During play the players are forbidden to use any notes, sources of information or advice, or analyse any game on another chessboard.
In that case what would stop a club using their best player to give advice on moves to teammates during the game?
Of course it could be said that player B had got advice in accordance with chess rule 11.3a: During play the players are forbidden to use any notes, sources of information or advice, or analyse any game on another chessboard.
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Re: What should happen in this situation?
Player A did indeed win. I was player A.Michael Farthing wrote:Player A should win. Anyone that sad clearly needs cheering up.
My opponent agreed with my claim and resigned.