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Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
Maybe I had another senior moment, but I looked at the first one for five minutes and couldn't see it. And still can't. However the second one took seconds - it's easy to see that there are no obvious moves, so the less obvious one jumped out quickly, for me anyway.
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Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
Re the first problem, the solution wasn't remotely the first move I considered. Modus operandi, after discounting the three N checks, was that the mate must come along a rank, file or diagonal. There are eight of those and I simply looked for one without a blocking reply. The a3-f8 diagonal stands out, when the solution becomes obvious.
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Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
Thanks Roger, I see it now!
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Ha!ha!Joshua Gibbs wrote:Does anyone know a trickier mate in one than this?
https://www.chess.com/blog/Giorno/crazy ... -in-1-nr17
GM grivas gave this to us in Fide Traoners' Seminar!
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Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
I like the first one. I am finding the more I look at these "hard" mate in two (or one, in this case) the less I tend to consider the obvious natural moves as the positions are almost always massive zugzwangs which require a very irrelevant looking move to force the other side to move a defender.
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.
Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
post a mate in one yourselfJoey Stewart wrote:I like the first one. I am finding the more I look at these "hard" mate in two (or one, in this case) the less I tend to consider the obvious natural moves as the positions are almost always massive zugzwangs which require a very irrelevant looking move to force the other side to move a defender.
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Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
Bh4 ++ ?
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Also D8=Q ++
Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
its pinned by the bishop on c8Barry Sandercock wrote:Also D8=Q ++
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Er, what? If Bh4+, then the Black response is Rg5. It is the move Bg5+ that is met by Kf8 and the move Qg5 by Black is never possible in response to a move by White in the position given.Joshua Gibbs wrote:KF8Barry Sandercock wrote:Bh4 ++ ?
edit: Queen g5
It could be an interesting timed exercise to list all the other checks by White and the moves by which Black blocks or evades those checks. As Roger correctly pointed out, the easiest way to solve the mate in one is to look for the file or diagonal that can't be blocked. There are also several pawn promotions to consider.
EDIT: Oops. Missed that there are two Black queens, so in response to White playing Qg5+, the response by Black is indeed Qxg5, but the queen on c1, not the one on e5.
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Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
That is normally the aesthetic reason for such problems. It is the whole reason people compose them and have problem composing tournaments with specific aims to use certain motifs or certain (im)balances of material.Joey Stewart wrote:I like the first one. I am finding the more I look at these "hard" mate in two (or one, in this case) the less I tend to consider the obvious natural moves as the positions are almost always massive zugzwangs which require a very irrelevant looking move to force the other side to move a defender.
The first problem here (by Leonid Kubbel) was probably specifically intended to have as many checks as possible - there will probably be a name for the condition set. One challenge would be to have a similar mate in one with as many other checks that fail (attempted solutions that fail are called a 'try') but with all 16 major pieces on the board and no pawns (for example). That is probably impossible, but is an example of the sort of conditions that get set.
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Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
Hi Nick,
"Nice, it was the last move I considered."
Well it will be wouldn't it. It's like finding something in the last place you looked. Why would you carrying on looking.
Regarding the wording of the 2nd puzzle. It was OK as it was.
If you cannot see the mate then you look for the only way it can be done.
An out of the box solution, what was the last move and ep.p's. are usually the candidates.
In some cases you have to spot it's an illegal position, retract the illegal move, make any legal move and mate.
"... and ep.p's. are usually the candidates."
I still chuckle even to this day after witnessing 5 years ago both players posting in the RHP forum
that something was wrong with the system as Black is in checkmate yet it has not been recognised.
Of course Black had mated with a double pawn move and taking e.p. was the only move to get out of mate
but both players had never encountered an e.p. capture before. There followed many attempts to tell the players
what was wrong without actually telling them the move because one is not allowed to comment on a game in play.
It got quite heated with one of the players boiling over in frustration and swearing at everyone.
Despite several warning from the site MOD somebody eventually cracked and explained the e.p. rule.
They were promptly rewarded with a two week forum ban.
"Nice, it was the last move I considered."
Well it will be wouldn't it. It's like finding something in the last place you looked. Why would you carrying on looking.
Regarding the wording of the 2nd puzzle. It was OK as it was.
If you cannot see the mate then you look for the only way it can be done.
An out of the box solution, what was the last move and ep.p's. are usually the candidates.
In some cases you have to spot it's an illegal position, retract the illegal move, make any legal move and mate.
"... and ep.p's. are usually the candidates."
I still chuckle even to this day after witnessing 5 years ago both players posting in the RHP forum
that something was wrong with the system as Black is in checkmate yet it has not been recognised.
Of course Black had mated with a double pawn move and taking e.p. was the only move to get out of mate
but both players had never encountered an e.p. capture before. There followed many attempts to tell the players
what was wrong without actually telling them the move because one is not allowed to comment on a game in play.
It got quite heated with one of the players boiling over in frustration and swearing at everyone.
Despite several warning from the site MOD somebody eventually cracked and explained the e.p. rule.
They were promptly rewarded with a two week forum ban.
Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
You tell themGeoff Chandler wrote:Hi Nick,
Regarding the wording of the 2nd puzzle. It was OK as it was.
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Re: toughest mate in one puzzle
Joshua keep posting them - I have no idea how to, not techie enough to download - they are entertaining.
Perhaps my very old tactical training that double checks are usually very good & winning & then not looking for a better move because the clue was only one mate in one.
Perhaps my very old tactical training that double checks are usually very good & winning & then not looking for a better move because the clue was only one mate in one.