and compared to what?LawrenceCooper wrote:When you say ECF, do you mean Council, the board, the federation as a whole or another definition?
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For example, compared to other European countries like Germany and France: similar population, similar economy, but very different financials for the national federation and very different number of members and FIDE rated players.NickFaulks wrote:and compared to what?LawrenceCooper wrote:When you say ECF, do you mean Council, the board, the federation as a whole or another definition?
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I'd been hoping for an answer from Paul as he started the poll but in the absence of that I guess any other answers will do.Paolo Casaschi wrote:For example, compared to other European countries like Germany and France: similar population, similar economy, but very different financials for the national federation and very different number of members and FIDE rated players.NickFaulks wrote:and compared to what?LawrenceCooper wrote:When you say ECF, do you mean Council, the board, the federation as a whole or another definition?
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Well Paolo's told us one way of interpreting the question. No clue as to the answer, however!
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The clue is in the comparison... just match the ECF against the German and French federations in terms of financials, number of members, number of FIDE rated members and so on... you can't help wondering whether English chess players should expect better from their federation.Michael Farthing wrote:Well Paolo's told us one way of interpreting the question. No clue as to the answer, however!
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That doesn't answer the question of what is meant by the "ECF" though. It could mean members, council, board all three or some other definition. It may even mean the "English Chess Forum"Paolo Casaschi wrote:The clue is in the comparison... just match the ECF against the German and French federations in terms of financials, number of members, number of FIDE rated members and so on... you can't help wondering whether English chess players should expect better from their federation.Michael Farthing wrote:Well Paolo's told us one way of interpreting the question. No clue as to the answer, however!
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Or vice-versa?Paolo Casaschi wrote: you can't help wondering whether English chess players should expect better from their federation.
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Sure, but at the same time you can argue that at all levels (members, middle and top management) our French and German counterparts share the credit for the much better results. And I'm confident their member forum is better as well with fewer grumpy complainers.LawrenceCooper wrote:That doesn't answer the question of what is meant by the "ECF" though. It could mean members, council, board all three or some other definition. It may even mean the "English Chess Forum"Paolo Casaschi wrote:The clue is in the comparison... just match the ECF against the German and French federations in terms of financials, number of members, number of FIDE rated members and so on... you can't help wondering whether English chess players should expect better from their federation.Michael Farthing wrote:Well Paolo's told us one way of interpreting the question. No clue as to the answer, however!
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English chess players aren't grumpy, are they?Paolo Casaschi wrote: ....with fewer grumpy complainers.
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Really? My impression is that the French federation's infighting makes our debates here look quite mild.Paolo Casaschi wrote: And I'm confident their member forum is better as well with fewer grumpy complainers.
And then there's the Irish.
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So if I get Paolo correctly he is saying that a good federation has more players with FIDE grades, more members and more money.
Boils down to saying that Barclays is a better bank than the Cumberland Building Society because it is bigger. I'm still glad I've moved from the former to the latter, however.
Boils down to saying that Barclays is a better bank than the Cumberland Building Society because it is bigger. I'm still glad I've moved from the former to the latter, however.
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My reply to this very awkward comment, it looks like you are suggesting the ECF is doing a good job by keeping chess small in England (compared to our neighbors), making sure there's no money for chess in England and that you'll never play against anyone under the age of 40 in any of your future leagues gamesMichael Farthing wrote:So if I get Paolo correctly he is saying that a good federation has more players with FIDE grades, more members and more money.
Boils down to saying that Barclays is a better bank than the Cumberland Building Society because it is bigger. I'm still glad I've moved from the former to the latter, however.
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My reply to this very awkward comment, it looks like you are suggesting the ECF is doing a good job by keeping chess small in England (compared to our neighbors), making sure there's no money for chess in England and that you'll never play against anyone under the age of 40 in any of your future leagues games
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The comment about the forum is obviously a joke. Instead, the difference in strength between the ECF and the French/German federations and their positive impact on chess in their respective countries seems very real to me.NickFaulks wrote:Really? My impression is that the French federation's infighting makes our debates here look quite mild.Paolo Casaschi wrote: And I'm confident their member forum is better as well with fewer grumpy complainers.
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English chess players don't want to pay much to the federation, and to some extent get the federation they pay for; government support has been withdrawn, and local authorities don't support chess any more (I've been to chess events in Town Halls in Rochdale, Bolton, Bury & Manchester, but they now charge too much to host anything)
What's the situation in France & Germany?
What's the situation in France & Germany?
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