July Grades

General discussions about grading.
LawrenceCooper
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Re: july grades

Post by LawrenceCooper » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:31 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
LawrenceCooper wrote: It looks like another case of two players with the same name but different initials being mixed up.
That could be blamed on those reporting the results for failing to use the correct grading codes.They aren't optional extras.
Agreed. That was the likely reason for a Stafford player's results mix-up that was spotted soon after the list was published.

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Re: july grades

Post by Gavin Hughes » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:50 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Gavin Hughes wrote:There is a person at my club whose grade is totally wrong and includes games that did not happen.
I trust you have reported these in time for the revised list.
Think it is being dealt with by a club mandorin.

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Re: july grades

Post by Angus French » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:23 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Roger de Coverly wrote:
LawrenceCooper wrote: It looks like another case of two players with the same name but different initials being mixed up.
That could be blamed on those reporting the results for failing to use the correct grading codes.They aren't optional extras.
Agreed. That was the likely reason for a Stafford player's results mix-up that was spotted soon after the list was published.
Agreed also. Though I wonder: shouldn't there be a central system process which checks the outliers (possibly I'm asking too much - not sure)?
Gavin Hughes wrote:... He should be under 100 but has a grade of 165. I'm planning to arrange 20 games against him
If it's the player I think it is, that wouldn't work as he has an 'F' category grade and those aren't used in grade calculations.

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Re: july grades

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:22 pm

Angus French wrote: Agreed also. Though I wonder: shouldn't there be a central system process which checks the outliers (possibly I'm asking too much - not sure)?
It relies on detailing the results and expecting those involved to review and flag up any anomalies. A grade of, say, F165 isn't an obvious outlier unless you know the perceived strength of the player. I'd rather suspect that those reviewing the results take a look at "top 100" lists for outcomes that look anomalous.

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Re: july grades

Post by Angus French » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:42 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Angus French wrote:A grade of, say, F165 isn't an obvious outlier unless you know the perceived strength of the player.
It depends what you define as an outlier. Possibly F165 against the previous F117 would arouse suspicion, a little more so if still earlier grades are taken into account.

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Re: july grades

Post by Gavin Hughes » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:02 am

It is though none of these games happened for him:

Date Round WB Score Opponent
16/01/2017 0 118406E Sagall, Roy 200C
30/01/2017 1 144163C Spearman, David 196A
27/02/2017 0 224790C Villiers, Thomas 205A
16/03/2017 0 294022L Sygulski, Artur 211E
27/03/2017 0 111346L Goldberg, Jeff A 186B
Played: 5 Won: 1 Drawn: 0 Lost: 4 Total: 1 Percent: 20

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Re: july grades

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:32 am

Gavin Hughes wrote:It is though none of these games happened for him:

Date Round WB Score Opponent
16/01/2017 0 118406E Sagall, Roy 200C
30/01/2017 1 144163C Spearman, David 196A
27/02/2017 0 224790C Villiers, Thomas 205A
16/03/2017 0 294022L Sygulski, Artur 211E
27/03/2017 0 111346L Goldberg, Jeff A 186B
Played: 5 Won: 1 Drawn: 0 Lost: 4 Total: 1 Percent: 20
These games have been credited to a player with a grading code of 278359K

If this is wrong it's the fault of the system used to manage the North Circular League in failing to identify players correctly.

Gavin Hughes
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Re: july grades

Post by Gavin Hughes » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:08 pm

luckily he is a chuggle. a chess player that doesn't play online, tournaments, county games, just the odd club match and comes down the club regularly. Tricky if he wanted to enter say U120 section with that grade at the moment.

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Re: july grades

Post by NickFaulks » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:12 pm

Gavin Hughes wrote:Tricky if he wanted to enter say U120 section with that grade at the moment.
I'm confused. Are you saying that he is the player who won against David Spearman or not?

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Re: july grades

Post by Gavin Hughes » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:18 pm

Nope he never played any of those people. In fact I think he hardly played at all and he is U100 strength. Bob Eames beat Dave Spearman that day on board 1.

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Re: july grades

Post by Nigel White » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:32 pm

I understand that there have been a number of errors in the NCCL results submission, not helped by nothing being input from this league for the January 2017 grades release. In my own case, I've only spotted one incorrect result (against the right opponent). I've notified the league's grader - I await the August revision to see if it has been rectified.

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Re: july grades

Post by Brian Towers » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:42 pm

Sounds like you need some form of league management software with automatic feeding of results into the grading system ;-)
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.

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Re: july grades

Post by Angus French » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:49 pm

Brian Towers wrote:Sounds like you need some form of league management software with automatic feeding of results into the grading system ;-)
Though it will still be necessary for players to be correctly identified!

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Re: july grades

Post by Alex Holowczak » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:07 pm

Angus French wrote:
Brian Towers wrote:Sounds like you need some form of league management software with automatic feeding of results into the grading system ;-)
Though it will still be necessary for players to be correctly identified!
Except of course, on LMS, we'll be requiring everyone to put the check letter in first before the numbers, rather than the way you're all used to, and I'll be aggressively batting away any comments suggesting that we might want to do it differently. :lol:

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Re: july grades

Post by Ian Thompson » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:47 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:If this is wrong it's the fault of the system used to manage the North Circular League in failing to identify players correctly.
Possibly. It could also be the fault of the grader. A few years ago I had some of my games incorrectly attributed to someone else in the January list in another league, despite the league having my correct name and grading code shown on its website. This was corrected by Richard Haddrell when I told him. Richard Haddrell told the grader about the error and reminded him to correct his records so the same thing didn't happen again in July. Exactly the same thing did happen again in July and Richard Haddrell had to correct it again.

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