Alekhine with f3
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Alekhine with f3
Apart from leaving a few potential holes around e3 and g3 if Alekhine players face this often and general experiences? 1. E4 Nf6 2. F3
Just curious.
Just curious.
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Re: Alekhine with f3
Mike Surtees used to use a similar idea in the c3 Sicilian. 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6/d5 3 f3 . He seems to have abandoned it in favour of 1. e4 c5 2. Nh3 .Gavin Hughes wrote:Apart from leaving a few potential holes around e3 and g3 if Alekhine players face this often and general experiences? 1. E4 Nf6 2. F3
Feel free to give 1. e4 Nf6 2. f3 a punt .
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Re: Alekhine with f3
A club colleague has tried 1.e4 Nf6, 2.f3 and it seems to work ok. Hardly anybody plays 1....Nf6 anyway, so he doesn't get too many opportunities, but the Black confuser frequently becomes the confusee.
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Re: Alekhine with f3
It's evidently playable. But why play it? It has no evidemt purpose and sets no traps, so is quite low down the scale of wacky ideas. It is just proof that White can get away with a pointless move or two in the opening.
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Re: Alekhine with f3
Maybe the plan is to answer 2...e5 with 3 f4 and to have a reversed Latvian GambitJonathan Rogers wrote:It's evidently playable. But why play it? It has no evidemt purpose and sets no traps, so is quite low down the scale of wacky ideas. It is just proof that White can get away with a pointless move or two in the opening.
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Re: Alekhine with f3
And in the event of a cunning 2...d5, 3 d4 dxe4 4 Nc3 with a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit!
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Re: Alekhine with f3
Or 3.e5, Nfd7 4.d4, e6 5.Be3 and we've transposed to one of the better lines in the Tromp.Jonathan Rogers wrote:And in the event of a cunning 2...d5, 3 d4 dxe4 4 Nc3 with a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit!
After 2...e5, though, I really do think White is looking for a way to equalise - Lawrence's idea notwithstanding.
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Re: Alekhine with f3
Agreed. One of the many drawbacks to f3 can be seen after 3 Bc4 d5 4 ed Nd5 where 5 Ne2 is met by Qh4+ and the bishop on c4 drops off.NickFaulks wrote:Or 3.e5, Nfd7 4.d4, e6 5.Be3 and we've transposed to one of the better lines in the Tromp.Jonathan Rogers wrote:And in the event of a cunning 2...d5, 3 d4 dxe4 4 Nc3 with a Blackmar-Diemer Gambit!
After 2...e5, though, I really do think White is looking for a way to equalise - Lawrence's idea notwithstanding.
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Re: Alekhine with f3
thanks all for your thoughts. maybe nc3 first then
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Re: Alekhine with f3
2 Bc4 is another offbeat line - it isn't objectively very good, but might bamboozle the unwary.
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Re: Alekhine with f3
I have played for this set up before with nc3 first moving into a Vienna. However many Alekhine players play d5 after nc3 and you end up playing e5 (exd is probably ok as well but probably less challenging)Paul Dargan wrote:Or 2.d3 and 3.f4
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Re: Alekhine with f3
"Maybe the plan is to answer 2...e5 with 3 f4 and to have a reversed Latvian Gambit "
That's the one - and you are not even a move behind. At normal club level, it sets great problems.
That's the one - and you are not even a move behind. At normal club level, it sets great problems.
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Re: Alekhine with f3
If that's what you want, you're more likely to get it by starting 1.e3, hoping for 1...e5 2.e4, Nf6.
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Re: Alekhine with f3
For the player who moves the f pawn that is.Kevin Thurlow wrote:At normal club level, it sets great problems.
Here's one I played earlier (county match in 1999)
You're supposed to play 3. .. Qf6