2018 Altibox Norway

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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:25 pm

Barry Sandercock wrote:
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Magnus drew in 17 moves today. Not like a few years ago, when he played those long endgames.
Or earlier this tournament where he beat Caruana in a long endgame.

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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:53 pm

Carlsen clearly banking on winning the tournament in a tie-break. Other games are level at the moment. (Nakamura's position against Aronian is dead drawn; quite a bit of play left in Caruana-So; Anand unlikely to win his game). Looks like it will be Nakamura and Carlsen playing off against Caruana and So.
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Post by JustinHorton » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:54 pm

Karjakin seems to have been considering his nineteenth for three-quarters of an hour.
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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:14 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:53 pm
Carlsen clearly banking on winning the tournament in a tie-break. Other games are level at the moment. (Nakamura's position against Aronian is dead drawn; quite a bit of play left in Caruana-So; Anand unlikely to win his game). Looks like it will be Nakamura and Carlsen playing off against Caruana and So.
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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:16 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:53 pm
Carlsen clearly banking on winning the tournament in a tie-break. Other games are level at the moment. (Nakamura's position against Aronian is dead drawn; quite a bit of play left in Caruana-So; Anand unlikely to win his game). Looks like it will be Nakamura and Carlsen playing off against Caruana and So.
Anand, with a win, and Nakamura, with a draw, have joined Carlsen on 4.5/8. This leaves Caruana-So (both on 4/7) playing each other with the chance to reach 5 and be outright winner or to draw and join the group on 4.5.
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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:57 pm

Absolutely sensational stuff at the end here
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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:45 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:57 pm
Absolutely sensational stuff at the end here
Wow. So was losing (the position was very complicated for both players). Caruana slipped with 40.h3 and allowed a combination for So to draw, only for So to make the wrong move (41...Rd3 instead of 41...Rd2) apparently because he thought he still had to make a move to reach the time control. The end result being that Caruana wins the tournament.

(EDIT: that result also brings the live rating difference between Carlsen and Caruana down to less than 20 points. When rounded, Caruana up to 2822, while Carlsen is on 2842.)

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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:18 pm

Wackier still, though it's since corrected itself the Chess24 computer had White easily winning after 40. h3 (I assume the draw after 40...Rxh3+ was beyond its horizon) so anybody watching on that service had a whole series of apparently inexplicable events within a few seconds. (The commentary was pay-for this time so I didn't see it: I don't know if it added to the confusion or helped avoid it.)

Great stuff. But when did Magnus last fail to win from a clear point ahead?
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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by Tim Harding » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:53 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
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Wackier still, though it's since corrected itself the Chess24 computer had White easily winning after 40. h3 (I assume the draw after 40...Rxh3+ was beyond its horizon) so anybody watching on that service had a whole series of apparently inexplicable events within a few seconds. (The commentary was pay-for this time so I didn't see it: I don't know if it added to the confusion or helped avoid it.)

Great stuff. But when did Magnus last fail to win from a clear point ahead?
Not really horizon effect I think. This often happens when the reply is blitzed out before the Chess24 engine has had time to reach a sufficient depth.

When the new move is made it switches to analysing the new position and the displayed evaluation can be wrong for moves that were answered very quickly.

While all that was happening, Karjakin was playing rubbish against Vishy.

Nakamura was the only unbeaten player in the tournament while Shak and MVL won no games. Carlsen losing a whole point lead probably never happened before, I agree, though I haven't checked; a strange event all round.

I note from New In Chess that a match Ding Liren v Navara is due to start in Prague next Tuesday. I wonder is that still on?
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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by Nigel White » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:21 pm

Tim Harding wrote:
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I note from New In Chess that a match Ding Liren v Navara is due to start in Prague next Tuesday. I wonder is that still on?
Ding Liren has been replaced in Prague by Pemtala Harikrishna. I think the organisers were lucky to find someone of that standard available for a week at such short notice. As well as the (rapidplay) match against Navara there are a number of side events involving the invited GM during the week.

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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:26 pm

Ding's forced withdrawal really did seem to queer the pitch somewhat in this tournament.
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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by benedgell » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:15 am

Its the last round of a tournament in Norway, with Norwegian sponsorship, Norwegian tv coverage, and the Norwegian player Magnus Carlsen is in the joint lead of the tournament. Sure enough, he blitzes out 17 moves of preparation, gets the dullest possible draw, and the game is over in 20 minutes. What a great advert for chess :roll:

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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:33 am

benedgell wrote:
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Sure enough, he blitzes out 17 moves of preparation, gets the dullest possible draw, and the game is over in 20 minutes.
14 moves and 10 minutes really, after that it was repetition.

At the elite level, is it really impossible nowadays for Black to insist upon having a game without being entirely reckless? I suspect that only the players themselves and those who work closely with them know the answer to that.

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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:40 am

Carlsen pointed out that the fact that MVL had worked with him on the 2016 WCC had a bearing on this game, which is a reasonable point. Will we see Carlsen and Caruana now focusing on their forthcoming match, or do they have busy schedules between now and November?

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Re: 2018 Altibox Norway

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:44 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:33 am

14 moves and 10 minutes really, after that it was repetition.

At the elite level, is it really impossible nowadays for Black to insist upon having a game without being entirely reckless? I suspect that only the players themselves and those who work closely with them know the answer to that.
This came up the other day, didn't it, in the discussion on the women's world championship? I'm sure you're right that only the players and their temas know.
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Sure enough, he blitzes out 17 moves of preparation, gets the dullest possible draw, and the game is over in 20 minutes.
It might have been dull for the people who were only watching for Carlsen, but anybody who kept watching till the end saw a brilliant game with a hell of a finish.
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