Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

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Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Poll ended at Tue May 08, 2018 10:47 pm

Kirsan Ilyumzhinov
1
2%
Georgios Makropoulos
8
14%
Nigel Short
33
59%
None of the Above
14
25%
 
Total votes: 56

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by Brian Towers » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:28 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:41 pm
In 2010 I attended a Subzonal in Nassau and had the opportunity of a lengthy chat with Karpov, who was these seeking support for their campaign. I asked him about their plan to close down the Elista office and transfer the management of the FIDE rating system to the French federation. I said this was a complicated procedure and he accepted without demur that there would probably be a period of six months during which full rating lists would not be published. He had been told that it should be possible to maintain the ratings of the top 100 during this hiatus.
Speaking as a computer professional, that strikes me as amazing. A rating system like FIDE's is basically a database along with a set of computer programs. If it is well designed and built (as, looking at all the dirty data in it, it isn't) then it should be a matter of days, at most, to transfer it to another location.
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:50 am

Brian Towers wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:28 am
Speaking as a computer professional, that strikes me as amazing.
Their intention appeared to be to scrap it immediately and start again. The point was that they didn't think the disruption this would obviously cause was very important.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by Brian Towers » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:07 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:50 am
Brian Towers wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:28 am
Speaking as a computer professional, that strikes me as amazing.
Their intention appeared to be to scrap it immediately and start again. The point was that they didn't think the disruption this would obviously cause was very important.
Ah, now that is deeply worrying.
Evolution not revolution is the standard business motto in those situations and over time seamless evolution can achieve the same results as revolution without the disruption.
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by Jon Tait » Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:19 am

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How can you say this!! We've had politics laced with intrigue and corruption. Now we've got a mystery. All we need is a sex scandal, and Ch.4 will be bidding for the film rights
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by JustinHorton » Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:38 pm

Dvorkovich team

Deputy President: Bachar Kouatly (France)
Vice Presidents: Mahir Mamedov (Azerbaijan), Julio Granda (Peru)
General Secretary: Enyonam Sewa Fumey (Togo)
Treasurer: Zhu Chen (Qatar/China)
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by Angus French » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:57 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:38 pm
Dvorkovich team

Deputy President: Bachar Kouatly (France)
Vice Presidents: Mahir Mamedov (Azerbaijan), Julio Granda (Peru)
General Secretary: Enyonam Sewa Fumey (Togo)
Treasurer: Zhu Chen (Qatar/China)
Julio Granda, Zhu Chen and Bachar Kouatly at least are all very decent players.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:15 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:38 pm
Dvorkovich team

Deputy President: Bachar Kouatly (France)
Vice Presidents: Mahir Mamedov (Azerbaijan), Julio Granda (Peru)
General Secretary: Enyonam Sewa Fumey (Togo)
Treasurer: Zhu Chen (Qatar/China)
This presumably means that Dvorkovich has the support of the French federation. I did not expect that.

ps. To be clear, the Dvorkovich team is dishonest in describing Zhu Chen as "Qatar/China". The Chinese have disowned her and she is Qatar.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by Paul Cooksey » Fri Jun 29, 2018 4:37 pm

Zhu Chen does appear to be welcome at chinese events since her move to Qatar. So disowned seems a bit strong.

But I suppose Nick is making the point Dvorkovich may have limited support in Asia if no big name on his ticket.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by Mick Norris » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:44 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:38 pm
Dvorkovich team

Deputy President: Bachar Kouatly (France)
Vice Presidents: Mahir Mamedov (Azerbaijan), Julio Granda (Peru)
General Secretary: Enyonam Sewa Fumey (Togo)
Treasurer: Zhu Chen (Qatar/China)
Plus a job for Kirsan who has now formally withdrawn according to Chess News Russia
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by David Sedgwick » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:09 am

Following confirmation of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov's withdrawal, I have created a new poll at viewtopic.php?f=31&t=9730.

Carl, please would you close the poll at the start of this thread.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:30 am

David Sedgwick wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:09 am
Following confirmation of Kirsan Ilyumzhinov's withdrawal, I have created a new poll at viewtopic.php?f=31&t=9730.

Carl, please would you close the poll at the start of this thread.
Done seems you have to just limit the number of days rather than close.
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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by shaunpress » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:37 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:20 am
shaunpress wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:56 am
The risk of pointing out the flaws in someone else's pre-determined choice of candidate, is the eruption of 'whataboutism' that will invariably follow. This was particularly noticeable in Tromso, where anyone who pointed out that Kirsan's promises of millions for chess were without foundation, were met with 'what about Sinquefeld, how do we know if his promises can be met?'
A better guide for me would is the past actions of a candidate and his team, which of course reflects very poorly on the Makro ticket.
Who do you think is going to win the election?
With the recent changes to who is actually running, I'm currently going with "no idea". I know who I would like to see win (I voted for Short in both polls), but a three cornered contest with potentially two ballots creates a great degree of uncertainty.
Assuming that all candidates make it to the start line, I expect no winner on the first ballot, followed by chaos on the floor of the GA as everyone argues over the rules, then a period of deal-making, horse trading and unrealistic promises, with a trip to CAS being the most likely outcome.
(NB Anyone who was at the GA in Tromso knows where I am coming from)

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:21 pm

shaunpress wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:37 am

Assuming that all candidates make it to the start line, I expect no winner on the first ballot,
Am I right in thinking that to win the first ballot you need at least 50% of the votes? Unless one candidate then withdraws, all three remain for the second ballot, with the winner now being the one with the most votes.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:30 pm

shaunpress wrote:
Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:37 am
Assuming that all candidates make it to the start line, I expect no winner on the first ballot, followed by chaos on the floor of the GA as everyone argues over the rules, then a period of deal-making, horse trading and unrealistic promises, with a trip to CAS being the most likely outcome.
(NB Anyone who was at the GA in Tromso knows where I am coming from)
I was there throughout and I don't remember this. The election was a forgone conclusion, with a large majority of Delegates having arrived with clear and immutable instructions from their home federations as to the candidate for whom they should vote. A small number of federations were embroiled in controversy and you may be influenced by the fact that yours was one of them.

I have gone back to the Tromso minutes, which do not change that view. However, I have only now, after four years, noticed that Andy Howie missed election to the Ethics Commission by just a few votes. I would certainly have recommended that Bermuda vote for him, which would then have happened, but there was no way of knowing that he was a candidate. I expect he has got over it.

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Re: Which Candidate Should the ECF Support in the FIDE Presidential Election?

Post by Tim Harding » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:37 pm

Can we please transfer all discussions from here onwards to the new (Take Two) thread please?
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