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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Mick Norris » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:06 pm

Agon move broadcasting rules clearly having learned from losing the previous court cases :roll:
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:12 pm

Ha ha brilliant
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:27 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:06 pm
clearly having learned from losing the previous court cases
They reference the "FIDE Live Broadcasting Policy".

Does that have any more status than that of a draft?

https://www.fide.com/component/content/ ... olicy.html

Presumably this suggestion from
https://www.englishchess.org.uk/enewsle ... -issue-25/
might incur Agon's displeasure
clubs around the country could organise a fun evening down their local, streaming live commentary on a large-screen TV or projector screen, and attracting newcomers with a (World Cup football-style) Fan Zone.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Alex Holowczak » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:26 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:27 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:06 pm
clearly having learned from losing the previous court cases
They reference the "FIDE Live Broadcasting Policy".

Does that have any more status than that of a draft?

https://www.fide.com/component/content/ ... olicy.html

Presumably this suggestion from
https://www.englishchess.org.uk/enewsle ... -issue-25/
might incur Agon's displeasure
clubs around the country could organise a fun evening down their local, streaming live commentary on a large-screen TV or projector screen, and attracting newcomers with a (World Cup football-style) Fan Zone.
It was a draft where FIDE were inviting comments during a consultation period. It was rare for a consultation paper, in that I genuinely believe FIDE were hoping people would comment against it rather than in support of it.

But it is clear to me that it was not approved by anyone who might reasonably have expected to approve it.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:26 am

It will be interesting to see what Dvorkovich and Nigel Short do or say tomorrow about what Agon are trying to pull here. The Agon tweet that goes with the new policy attempts to show that Agon are being reasonable "Here is the final World Chess Championship moves relay policy. It's as media friendly as it can be and we also will supply free widgets to everyone who wants to broadcast the moves. " In reality as has been shown they have no legal basis to do this and its a blatant attempt to bully chess sites such as Chess24 from broadcasting any kind of commentary.
Chess 24's response appeals to FIDE's new regime for a lead "So once again Agon tries to impose an illegal ban on reporting chess moves that will poison the atmosphere around the world's biggest chess event - isn't it time for @advorkovich, @nigelshortchess and the new @FIDE_chess to take a stand against these bullying tactics?"

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:06 am

Joy! Dylan Loeb McClain is putting 600 million about.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:35 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:06 am
Dylan Loeb McClain is putting 600 million
They seem to be punting this dubious statistic to commercial partners as well.

https://worldchess.com/news/71
World Chess and Unibet will produce additional digital content for this year’s tournament in order to reach the 600 million chess enthusiasts around the world.


With the corruption in sports created by spot betting, I would not be convinced this is a desirable development, particularly being able to bet on the next move.
Fans will be able to make quick and easy bets on a range of categories – ranging from outright winner through to a player’s next move.
We believe that this year’s World Championship showdown between Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana in London will establish chess as a permanent fixture in betting.”

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:15 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:06 am
Joy! Dylan Loeb McClain is putting 600 million about.
A professional bullsitter and blowhard bullshits and blows hard.

A regrettable but not an entirely unexpected development

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Chris Rice » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:32 am

Tarjei Svensen makes a good point "30 minute delay? That is crazy. The game may actually be over by the time they start broadcasting."
Also Chessdom who were also the victims of legal action by Agon weigh in with "First major decision of the new @FIDE_chess and @advorkovich , they have to stop this madness and they have only 10 days. Any failure to do so will be disaster for chess at a global scale."

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:39 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:35 am
JustinHorton wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:06 am
Dylan Loeb McClain is putting 600 million
They seem to be punting this dubious statistic to commercial partners as well.

https://worldchess.com/news/71
World Chess and Unibet will produce additional digital content for this year’s tournament in order to reach the 600 million chess enthusiasts around the world.
I like the way the very next paragraph says ten million people watched the last world championship match, which may cause the alert reader to wonder why the other 590 million of us didn't bother.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:39 am

Chris Rice wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:26 am
It will be interesting to see what Dvorkovich and Nigel Short do or say tomorrow about what Agon are trying to pull here.
Indeed. Let’s see.

Short is a frequent tweeter. He could already have said something if he’d wanted. Not necessarily a full reply of course. But he could have let his feelings be known by now. He’s not normally the shy and retiring type

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:42 am

My guess is that something will be said, because it's easy as well as right and because nobody likes AGON. What will actually be done though, is a harder question.
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Angus French » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:56 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:42 am
My guess is that something will be said, because it's easy as well as right and because nobody likes AGON. What will actually be done though, is a harder question.
I have a vague recollection of Dvorkovich saying, during his election campaign, something to the effect that next month's AGON-organised World Championship match was a given but there would be a review after that.

Anyway, my guess is that AGON will be booted out after the World Championship match. There's no reason to keep them. Dvorkovich has a reputation as an organiser and presumably could do much better (including bringing in new sponsors). It would be an easy win.

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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:41 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:39 am
I like the way the very next paragraph says ten million people watched the last world championship match, which may cause the alert reader to wonder why the other 590 million of us didn't bother.
:lol:

Is there any actual evidence that 10m watched the last match?
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Re: 2018 World Championship in London

Post by David Robertson » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:05 pm

Angus French wrote:
Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:56 am
I have a vague recollection of Dvorkovich saying, during his election campaign, something to the effect that next month's AGON-organised World Championship match was a given but there would be a review after that
Nigel Short has just tweeted his opinion

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