English victories against reigning World Champions

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Matt Mackenzie
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Re: English victories against reigning World Champions

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:06 pm

John McKenna wrote:
Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:04 am
Matt Mackenzie>Alekhine always made clear he would have a rematch with Capa if JRC matched the conditions he (AAA) had had to fulfil for their 1927 match. It is not really his fault that the world economic crash soon afterwards made that a rather more daunting prospect...<

Matt, please note that those conditions applied only to Capablanca - they were not applied to Bogoljubow and Euwe.
Of course not, they had not made such demands of Alekhine previously. Unlike his predecessor as WC.
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Re: English victories against reigning World Champions

Post by John McKenna » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:11 am

Alekhine, Bogoljubow, Capablanca (then World Champion), Maroczy, Rubinstein, Reti, Tartakower & Vidmar all signed the "London Rules" in 1922.

Euwe was the youngest competitor at that tournament. I don't know if he signed at the time, or not.

(Lasker, Nimzowitch & Spielmann were not there and so did not sign.)

Alekhine played their 1927 World Ch. match, in Buenos Aires, under those agreed London Rules.

Capa did try to change them - particularly the number of games - soon after he'd lost the title and was seeking a rematch.

Alekhine was adamant about keeping them unchanged - particularly for Capablanca.

Why did he allow Bogoljubow, a London Rules signatory, two title matches under a relaxed version of them, but wouldn't hardly budge at all when it came to a rematch with Capablanca?

Even when Capa later (in Dec. 1929 the press carried reports of a rematch in 1930) made efforts to issue a challenge in accordamce with the "London Rules" Alekhine made no concessions to him, despite the NY stockmarket crash, but did so for the other two challengers.

In 1930 for San Remo Alekhine demanded a doubling of his 20,000 lira fee if Capa were to play, too. Of course Capa was not invited. And, the same kind of conditions are said to have been applied for Bled, 1931.

All that ducking & diving - Alekhine was determined never to allow a rematch and probably welcomed any and all obstacles to one.
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Re: English victories against reigning World Champions

Post by John McKenna » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:14 am

To me, all of the above shows that between 1929 and 1946 Alekhine made a mockery of the process to produce a challenger for the World Championship and thereby brought both it and himself into disrepute.

Any list of those who defeated a World Chess Champion will be haunted by the sins of omission of the champions themselves.

Just getting to play against them can be problematical even for their peers.

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Re: English victories against reigning World Champions

Post by David McAlister » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:15 pm

Anyone want to have a go at English victories against these World Champions - Khalifman (FIDE Las Vegas 1999), Ponomariov (FIDE Moscow 2001), Kasimdzhanov (FIDE Tripoli 2004) and Topalov (FIDE San Luis 2005)?

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Re: English victories against reigning World Champions

Post by MJMcCready » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:28 am

David McAlister wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:15 pm
Anyone want to have a go at English victories against these World Champions - Khalifman (FIDE Las Vegas 1999), Ponomariov (FIDE Moscow 2001), Kasimdzhanov (FIDE Tripoli 2004) and Topalov (FIDE San Luis 2005)?
A valid post, I would also like to know.

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