2019 new ECF junior selection policy

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2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:56 pm

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The following policy has been radically altered from 2018. While there will still be tournament-based qualification routes to playing for England, the main emphasis will change, to be part of ECF-supported training programmes and players’ ratings. This is a deliberate attempt to shift the focus of English junior chess away from playing in junior tournaments, and focussing more on education and training than in the past.
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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by David Shepherd » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:21 pm

I only had a quick read through, but one thing that did strike me was that it seems somewhat incomplete for the World Junior unless I am missing something (so for example qualification by rating/title).

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Alex Holowczak » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:49 pm

David Shepherd wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:21 pm
I only had a quick read through, but one thing that did strike me was that it seems somewhat incomplete for the World Junior unless I am missing something (so for example qualification by rating/title).
"The International Director will be responsible for selecting additional people to represent England in this tournament."

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by David Shepherd » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:28 pm

Thanks Alex, apologies if that was there originally and I missed it - that makes sense.

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Alex Holowczak » Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:39 pm

David Shepherd wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:28 pm
Thanks Alex, apologies if that was there originally and I missed it - that makes sense.
It was, but right at the bottom.

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:20 am

There's another new policy which presumably has practical implications.

https://www.englishchess.org.uk/wp-cont ... ration.pdf
Trip administration – MT reiterated that the ECF Office would no longer be involved in travel arrangements for international trips other than administrative requirements such as player and team registration fees and lists.
Arguably the ECF has subsidised junior international activity by providing travel agency services for gratis in the sense that it created a workload for paid for staff.

At a guess, they are either expecting a volunteer or volunteers to handle travel and accommodation, or perhaps more likely, they have a commercial organisation (Guaranteed Events?) running it for a commission or other remuneration.

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Adam Raoof » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:45 am

Parents who attended the recent http://hampsteadchess.blogspot.co.uk have suggested that we might get a surge in entries from juniors at FIDE rated tournaments looking to improve their FIDE rating (especially where that rating lags behind their ECF grade) in order to meet the qualification criteria.

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:28 pm

"Arguably the ECF has subsidised junior international activity by providing travel agency services for gratis in the sense that it created a workload for paid for staff. "

Presumably, it also makes sense to try to get the "team" travelling together when practical.

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Nick Grey » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:39 pm

When travelling together & arguably coming out of ECF is there any reason why it should not be by coach & boat?

On general junior ECF we also had queries on junior ECF Jan list in County championship at U160 level. From what I saw we had 3 juniors in total but many players over 60 a few in between that. 32 players.

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:44 pm

Nick Grey wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:39 pm
When travelling together & arguably coming out of ECF is there any reason why it should not be by coach & boat?
No reason, provided you're happy with the players spending more days travelling to events than they do playing in them.

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Roger Lancaster » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:02 am

Nick Grey wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:39 pm
When travelling together & arguably coming out of ECF is there any reason why it should not be by coach & boat?
To expand slightly on Jack's reply, the "European" events are almost invariably in eastern or south-eastern Europe, for example, Greece, Romania, Georgia, while the "World" events can be on another continent entirely - I recall one of our juniors playing in Brazil.

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Nick Grey » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:13 am

Thanks I expect the budget is the budget with help elsewhere. And you get there as quickly as possible. The future European budget ought to have Brexit considerations.

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Simon Brown » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:13 am

Nick Grey wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:13 am
Thanks I expect the budget is the budget with help elsewhere. And you get there as quickly as possible. The future European budget ought to have Brexit considerations.
Quite a call to expect the ECF to budget for Brexit when the rest of the country hasn't got a clue.

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Alex Holowczak » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:19 am

Simon Brown wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:13 am
Quite a call to expect the ECF to budget for Brexit when the rest of the country hasn't got a clue.
I'm factoring that into our choice of exchange rate for junior trip invoices - when parents pay in GBP, but we have to pay everyone else in EUR several months later...

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Re: 2019 new ECF junior selection policy

Post by Nick Grey » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:20 pm

Parents pay for Junior selection?

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