Altibox Norway 2019 - the future of chess?

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Re: Altibox Norway 2019 - the future of chess?

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:16 pm

Grischuk-So halved out in under 15 minutes so be quick if you want to catch the armageddon game.

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Post by David Robertson » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:19 pm

Grischuk - So - Drawn in under ten minutes. Just taking the p!ss. One of the worst games you'll ever see. Utter farce!

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Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:47 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:19 pm
Grischuk - So - Drawn in under ten minutes. Just taking the p!ss. One of the worst games you'll ever see. Utter farce!
The armageddon game also ended in a draw (which obviously suited So as black) but took longer than the classic game :roll:

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Post by David Robertson » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:02 pm

Nice tweet here from Olimpiu Urcan showing the frustration (and disgust?) on Grischuk's face at the nonsense required of them in the Aronian - Grischuk Armageddon. Who hasn't been there in a local QPF or similar, losing on time amid random moves and chaos. At elite level, it's going to ruin the game

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Post by NickFaulks » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:33 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:02 pm
Who hasn't been there in a local QPF or similar, losing on time amid random moves and chaos. At elite level, it's going to ruin the game
An increment of as little as two seconds cuts through it. The trouble is that the people with the money - ie the St Louis crowd and now the Norwegians - seem to view this shambles as a feature not a bug. Perhaps they know their paying audience, but top players will have to get used to their role as well fed and watered circus animals.

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Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:52 pm

Anand's blunder led to a decisive standard play game.

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Post by Mick Norris » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:10 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:02 pm
Nice tweet here from Olimpiu Urcan showing the frustration (and disgust?) on Grischuk's face at the nonsense required of them in the Aronian - Grischuk Armageddon. Who hasn't been there in a local QPF or similar, losing on time amid random moves and chaos. At elite level, it's going to ruin the game
And at local level, when we argue at AGMs in favour of increments, the elite level shambles doesn't help
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Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:15 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:33 pm
Perhaps they know their paying audience
Paying?

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Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:17 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:33 pm
but top players will have to get used to their role as well fed and watered circus animals.
Grischuk made the comment that he accepted the invite, so he can't complain. But that's the point, if organisers are going to throw money at the top players, and the top players are prepared to turn up and play, then so it goes.

But that's like most sports. The Hundred wouldn't be a thing if counties weren't getting a huge chunk of the £1.3m broadcast deal, even though the great unwashed have expressed no particular desire on social media to watch a 100-ball cricket competition.

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Re: Altibox Norway 2019 - the future of chess?

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:22 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:10 pm
David Robertson wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:02 pm
Nice tweet here from Olimpiu Urcan showing the frustration (and disgust?) on Grischuk's face at the nonsense required of them in the Aronian - Grischuk Armageddon. Who hasn't been there in a local QPF or similar, losing on time amid random moves and chaos. At elite level, it's going to ruin the game
And at local level, when we argue at AGMs in favour of increments, the elite level shambles doesn't help
Even though increments are *not* being used here?
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Re: Altibox Norway 2019 - the future of chess?

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:12 pm

Magnus somehow escapes and Caruana wins. Yu beat Ding in the armageddon.

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Re: Altibox Norway 2019 - the future of chess?

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:47 pm

Almost inevitably Magnus wins the armageddon game.

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Re: Altibox Norway 2019 - the future of chess?

Post by Paul Cooksey » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:55 am

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:17 pm
I suspect it may be more to do with the organisers and broadcasters.
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:47 pm
Almost inevitably Magnus wins the armageddon game.
Hmm...

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Re: Altibox Norway 2019 - the future of chess?

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:48 am

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:22 pm
Mick Norris wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:10 pm
David Robertson wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:02 pm
Nice tweet here from Olimpiu Urcan showing the frustration (and disgust?) on Grischuk's face at the nonsense required of them in the Aronian - Grischuk Armageddon. Who hasn't been there in a local QPF or similar, losing on time amid random moves and chaos. At elite level, it's going to ruin the game
And at local level, when we argue at AGMs in favour of increments, the elite level shambles doesn't help
Even though increments are *not* being used here?
We argue against QP finishes, and people who don't want to change say, well they don't use increments in Norway/St Louis :roll:
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Re: Altibox Norway 2019 - the future of chess?

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:13 pm

Four wins out of five in standard play today :shock:

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