July 2019 grades......

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NickFaulks
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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:11 am

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:00 am
Nick Grey wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:19 pm
When will the AUGUST revision be published?
In August :)
Thanks, that is genuinely reassuring information.

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:36 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:11 am
Alex Holowczak wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:00 am
Nick Grey wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:19 pm
When will the AUGUST revision be published?
In August :)
Thanks, that is genuinely reassuring information.
That's the answer I got when I asked the Grading Administrator a couple of days ago! :lol:

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:35 pm

"That's the answer I got when I asked the Grading Administrator a couple of days ago! "

In 3.5 days, we'll know... Mind you the year wasn't specified!

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Alex Holowczak » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:33 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:35 pm
"That's the answer I got when I asked the Grading Administrator a couple of days ago! "

In 3.5 days, we'll know... Mind you the year wasn't specified!
To stop people asking unhelpful questions about it, the Board has decided to prorogue the grading team for the next 2 days. :lol:

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Nick Grey » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:30 pm

it will be unusual to publish on a Saturday so I expect 30th.

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Brian Valentine » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:19 pm

We had been working towards giving Nick an "I told you so moment", but it is not to be. Several people have been giving up their time to fix the problem, but even so we cannot publish till early next week.

The issue has been outside our control and only emerged yesterday. We can only apologise for any frustration caused.

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Alex Holowczak » Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:43 pm

Brian Valentine wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:19 pm
We had been working towards giving Nick an "I told you so moment", but it is not to be. Several people have been giving up their time to fix the problem, but even so we cannot publish till early next week.

The issue has been outside our control and only emerged yesterday. We can only apologise for any frustration caused.

Brian Valentine
Manager ECF grading
Ah well, I'll have to delay marketing my tournaments and selecting my county teams for another few days...

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Nick Grey » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:13 pm

Brian. Thanks for the update. Best wishes to all. Nick

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:07 pm

Brian Valentine wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:19 pm
We had been working towards giving Nick an "I told you so moment", but it is not to be. Several people have been giving up their time to fix the problem, but even so we cannot publish till early next week.

The issue has been outside our control and only emerged yesterday. We can only apologise for any frustration caused.

Brian Valentine
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When you do publish, please make a clear statement that these are the official start of season grades for the purpose of ECF events such as the ECF Counties Championships.

Leagues who define start of season grades as those in the last published list before 1st September will be in some difficulty. A clear steer from the ECF may enable them to stretch a point.

This doesn't bode well for when you will be producing grading lists six times as often.

In fairness, I can't recall having experienced this problem for twenty years or more. At one time it was not infrequent.

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Brian Valentine » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:01 pm

David,

The situation is fluid. We are considering some half-way house which might meet your needs.

It has long been quite clear that monthly grading cannot be progressed with the current software (or the existing support for graders).

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Michael Farthing » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:10 pm

Well the up side for me is that I'll have a good excuse for the Council voting register being late ..
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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:06 pm

Brian Valentine wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:01 pm
It has long been quite clear that monthly grading cannot be progressed with the current software (or the existing support for graders).
The ECF Board leapt in with great enthusiasm for the idea. If anyone believed what they wrote in the business plan, we'd be anticipating the second monthly list around now, which would show performance for the several hundred players taking part in the British Championship events and those over the month of August including the recent Bank Holiday weekend.

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Brian Valentine » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:21 pm

Jon Griffith deserves all the credit for overcoming the obstacles, so that the August update has been delivered in August.

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by David Sedgwick » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:45 pm

Brian Valentine wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:21 pm
Jon Griffith deserves all the credit for overcoming the obstacles, so that the August update has been delivered in August.

Brian Valentine
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This is excellent news. Many thanks to Jon and everyone else involved.

From the perspective of most members, the single most important task which the ECF has to do each year is to publish the definitive start of season list in August. The prospect of this not happening did worry me.

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Re: July 2019 grades......

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:54 pm

Indeed, I too am thankful that the August 2019 grades came out today.

The January list has come out in February for the last two years, so it does seem that the new normal is for the list to be published about a month after the cutoff date. I remember in February 2018, the FIDE February list was published before the ECF January one. The FIDE September list was published today, the same as the ECF August list, too.

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