Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:28 pm
But possibly not as much as their business model would be hurt by making claims that cannot be true and by making defamatory comments about users of their site.
FWIW I rather suspect that, on the contrary, it’s precisely the intention of supporting the business model which is driving chess.com’s behaviour.
I’ve been wanting to contribute for a while but extreme work-related zeitnot has prevented it. I have discuss things a little with Justin in private.
Paul Cooksey wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:29 pm
One of the arguments is it is better to ban a few innocent people than have cheaters on the site.
My feeling is that this is
exactly what chess.com think. I mean, I can’t imagine they’d could be so stupid to really believe they can "100% certain" on statistical analysis alone with such a small sample.
Paul Cooksey wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:29 pm
... Often a very weak player ....
This, I feel, is the fundamental issue.
We - regular club and tournament players - simply aren’t chess.com’s target market. Club players tend to think of weak players as under 100 ECF strength. Perhaps down to 80. Outside of club players who play regularly face to face, though, that level of ability would be considered extremely talented. It’s exactly this group that chess.com target. And it makes sense. After all there are so many many more of that group than us.
All of which means that chess.com is populated for the most part by weak players. Eg. the top thread on the openings forum when I first intended to write this post was
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess- ... e4-e5-2-g4
in which the poster earnestly asks for feedback on his idea of playing 2 g4 in the open games.
Which is all very well. there’s nothing wrong with being a relatively inexperienced not particularly strong player. Nothing at all. It’s just this does sometimes create a bit of a culture clash.
E.g. when I started playing there a little while ago and won my first 16 games in a row. To my mind I was winning easily against people who barely knew the moves. To some people I was on obvious cheat (I got a message saying so). Because by the standards what i was doing wasn’t possible.
And Justin, needless to say, is a much stronger player than me. SO I’d expect him to score wins easily against even higher rated players than I did.
So what do chess.com do? cheating is a real problem. During my 30 or so correspondence games in total I had strong suspicions about two opponents that they were cheating. Not by statistical analysis but because their rate of play or the type of moves they made just didn’t feel right.
So chess.com have to crack down otherwise they have no market.
But what if they end up banning genuine stronger players in consequence? I think they have decided it’s a price worth paying, economically.
Because when it comes down to it, there’s relatively few of us. And a lot of casual players. An awful lot.
That, in any event, is what I believe has happened.
Because, when it comes down to it, I can’t believe anybody could be so dense as to be believe that a handful of moves in a handful of games is enough data to draw any conclusions - let alone be 100% certain - from statistical analysis.