My (somewhat dated) understanding is that every win against players more than 40 points below him will give him 229 + 10 so the potential is there to go up ten points each season with a hundred per cent score.Matt Bridgeman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:58 pmIn terms of grading, with the junior plus 50/minus 50 system, a win over a 180 is worth 230. So other than the 6 monthly 5 point junior bonus, he’s already more or less maxed out in the Dorset area for now due to a lack of 200+ rated players in his league. Will it be the case with the new 4 digit system that the limitations will be off and he could steadily build his rating?
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I don’t think the junior system has the 40 points idea. I stand to be corrected
So without it I was thinking a junior might end up with a little bit of a ceiling if they can’t play those 200+ players.
So without it I was thinking a junior might end up with a little bit of a ceiling if they can’t play those 200+ players.
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I think you are correct. The same performance every year would result in the same grade because the calculation is repeated with a clean sheet as if a new player. The ECF's monthly rating system, being Elo theory based is likely to change that.Matt Bridgeman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:37 pmI don’t think the junior system has the 40 points idea. I stand to be corrected
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I don't want to definitively condemn anybody without hearing their side of the story, but my strong impression, going by the facts currently available to me, is that the Dorset association really need to give a satisfactory account of how they have approached this matter.Phil Makepeace wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:47 pmit's clear that in seeking to arrest the scrutiny and commentary, the Dorset association and whomever else with a duty of care has completely failed him.
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John Upham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:08 pmFor those that like to collect records can we agree that 229 ECF is the highest ever first standard play grade for OTB play for someone who has never had a grade or rating from any country ?
I'm struggling to think of anyone who has beaten this record.
229 equates to 2417 ELO/FIDE.
Garry Kasparov's first FIDE Rating, in July 1979, was 2545. He didn't have a Soviet Union National Rating as there was no such thing, only categories.
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And if we restrict the discussion to the UK countries ?David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:28 pmJohn Upham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:08 pmFor those that like to collect records can we agree that 229 ECF is the highest ever first standard play grade for OTB play for someone who has never had a grade or rating from any country ?
I'm struggling to think of anyone who has beaten this record.
229 equates to 2417 ELO/FIDE.
Garry Kasparov's first FIDE Rating, in July 1979, was 2545. He didn't have a Soviet Union National Rating as there was no such thing, only categories.
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Kasparov had a strong history prior to his first grading though. Botvinnik for one, Leonard Barden for another were raving about him from a young age eg didn't Botvinnik say something like the future of chess was in his hands? And Leonard predicted he would be world champion following Kasparovs performance in the 1975 USSR Junior Championship aged 11.
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Kasparov's first ranking was a national one - a "first category" player at the age of about 10. This USSR ranking is roughly equivalent, I believe, to 2000 Fide or almost 175 ECF
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In regards to an FM title, if he went 5/5 in an event such as the North Wales Open or Manchester Congress Open, and came away with a first ever FIDE standard rating of 2400, would be then be eligible to apply for the title?
And if so, would the ECF have grounds to refuse to endorse the application to FIDE if there hadn’t as yet been any formal investigation in to suspicions regarding the players genuine ability?
And if so, would the ECF have grounds to refuse to endorse the application to FIDE if there hadn’t as yet been any formal investigation in to suspicions regarding the players genuine ability?
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Initial FIDE ratings don't work that way. So to get a starting rating of 2400 you would have to play an average field of around 2400 (and score 50% or more). You need 9 games for an official rating, so it would take two weekend events. I would have thought it would be very difficult in England to start with a rating of over 2300 (although I think it has been achieved in the past). Of course with U18's having a K factor of 40 it would be possible for a junior to go up very rapidly.
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Looking back at last year's North Wales Open, if you played the top five seeds and scored 5/5 this equates to something like a 2600 performance (of course there isn't an upper bound for a 100% performance). However, I think this would only result in a part rating performance of circa 2240.
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Immediate CM title?
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No, you need five.
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It was reduced to 5 games in 2017
https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/B022017
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You need 30 games for the FM and CM titles7.14b
If based on results obtained under 6.4, a minimum of 5 games played against rated opponents.
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Titles may be gained by achieving a published or interim rating at some time or other (see 1.53a) having at that time played at least 30 rated games:
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1.33 Women FIDE Master ≥2100
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Sorry, my mistake - out of date on that one.