That's what I don't get. If people are allowed to go out at all, then they will go out. If their first choice is playing chess but that is banned, they will go to a pub or restaurant instead. The only way to keep them in is a full curfew, anything less just degrades their lives for no purpose.MartinCarpenter wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:53 amWhat we certainly can't do is to open everything out at once.
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I don't think this is true across the board. It may certainly be true for some people, but it doesn't seem to describe how most people are actually acting.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:25 amThat's what I don't get. If people are allowed to go out at all, then they will go out. If their first choice is playing chess but that is banned, they will go to a pub or restaurant instead.MartinCarpenter wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:53 amWhat we certainly can't do is to open everything out at once.
"Do you play chess?"
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It certainly isn't even - or we'd be rapidly heading towards the same place as America right now.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:42 amI don't think this is true across the board. It may certainly be true for some people, but it doesn't seem to describe how most people are actually acting.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:25 amThat's what I don't get. If people are allowed to go out at all, then they will go out. If their first choice is playing chess but that is banned, they will go to a pub or restaurant instead.MartinCarpenter wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:53 amWhat we certainly can't do is to open everything out at once.
Working out what changes/controls population level behaviours like this is incredibly hard. Loads of guesswork even for the experts I suspect.
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Is there actually anything prohibiting league chess restarting?
My understanding is that the issue is that (1) not enough players feel chess is worth the risk to make it a particularly compelling economic case for the venues, (2) some existing venues are too small for social distancing/reasonable precautions, and (3) some tournament directors and club presidents don't want all the additional headache of sanitising etc just to run a half-empty club. I.e. practical issues. I don't think the law actually stops chess clubs from opening.
I am hoping things can reopen soon, but if a longer delay means more people are willing to play, that doesn't seem completely mad. Restarting too soon with a poor turnout might do more harm than good.
My understanding is that the issue is that (1) not enough players feel chess is worth the risk to make it a particularly compelling economic case for the venues, (2) some existing venues are too small for social distancing/reasonable precautions, and (3) some tournament directors and club presidents don't want all the additional headache of sanitising etc just to run a half-empty club. I.e. practical issues. I don't think the law actually stops chess clubs from opening.
I am hoping things can reopen soon, but if a longer delay means more people are willing to play, that doesn't seem completely mad. Restarting too soon with a poor turnout might do more harm than good.
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I think it depends on how you interpret the "no more then two households" rule.Jacob Ward wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:08 pmI don't think the law actually stops chess clubs from opening.
Regardless of the law, it's a risk to spend three hours in the company of someone infectious, particularly given the usual demographics of chess clubs. But what's the probability of meeting someone infectious? If it's telephone number to one, do you ignore it?
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That is not a legal rule. It's just guidance, which the Government chooses to phrase as if it were a legal rule. Jacob is correct.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:50 pmI think it depends on how you interpret the "no more then two households" rule.Jacob Ward wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:08 pmI don't think the law actually stops chess clubs from opening.
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+-1/2000 population overall, and relatively stable. Changing a bit according to where you live & other demographics of course.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:50 pmBut what's the probability of meeting someone infectious? If it's telephone number to one, do you ignore it?
(https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lot/latest)
You can maybe screen infected people out at 50% efficiency, but then multiply by 10 or so for a teams match and you're down to 1/4-500 odds, with non trivial consequences if you're wrong.
Try and run the normal set of teams that many chess clubs run from the same room/sets and you'll fairly rapidly end up facing quite short odds of having an outbreak, ill people, having to shut the club room down to deep clean it/your equipment etc. The numbers aren't kind
(also pubs/restaurants of course!)
Scotland/Ireland are trying for 'elimination' iirc, and they might well be able to reopen rather sooner. Our infection rate was only coming down very slowly near the end of lock down, so maybe we decided it wasn't possible.
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I attach for information only a statement on this by the Board of Surrey County Chess AssociationJacob Ward wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:08 pmIs there actually anything prohibiting league chess restarting?
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David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:20 pmI attach for information only a statement on this by the Board of Surrey County Chess Association
That may be over pessimistic.Surrey wrote: The Board expects that club venue owners will need time to restart their own operations and get comfortable with new ways of working to stay safe and so are very unlikely to be receptive to 3rd party hirers wishing to be admitted to their premises at this time.
My local community centre (not in Surrey), has indicated that it will be reopening from 1st September and has invited regular hirers to consider whether subject to a suitable risk assessment, they want to resume regular hires. I couldn't see much activity other than an internal competition or perhaps limited board friendlies being possible. There's space enough with a limited number of players to use a two boards or long arms approach as seen elsewhere.
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From the BBC websiteMartinCarpenter wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:35 pm+-1/2000 population overall, and relatively stable. Changing a bit according to where you live & other demographics of course.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:50 pmBut what's the probability of meeting someone infectious? If it's telephone number to one, do you ignore it?
(https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lot/latest)
You can maybe screen infected people out at 50% efficiency, but then multiply by 10 or so for a teams match and you're down to 1/4-500 odds, with non trivial consequences if you're wrong.
Try and run the normal set of teams that many chess clubs run from the same room/sets and you'll fairly rapidly end up facing quite short odds of having an outbreak, ill people, having to shut the club room down to deep clean it/your equipment etc. The numbers aren't kind
(also pubs/restaurants of course!)
Scotland/Ireland are trying for 'elimination' iirc, and they might well be able to reopen rather sooner. Our infection rate was only coming down very slowly near the end of lock down, so maybe we decided it wasn't possible.
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Burnley has a Conservative MP, that's serious.
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We have a Tory here too
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Oadby and Wigston ( caught by the Leicester lock-down) also has a Conservative MP. The point of the original post?
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And we now haveJ T Melsom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:15 amOadby and Wigston ( caught by the Leicester lock-down) also has a Conservative MP. The point of the original post?
The borough of Oadby and Wigston on the outskirts of Leicester is taken out of local lockdown
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Until now I believed the areas lined up for punishment beatings were all Labour strongholds - I did not realise that O&W was locked down. Given the trouble they are already having with their own MPs, that did at least seem logical.
Anyway, my theory is busted and I have read that the Tories whose constituencies are affected are indeed complaining.
Anyway, my theory is busted and I have read that the Tories whose constituencies are affected are indeed complaining.
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