Except that no-one reading the guidelines would conclude that they may only join one group of 6, and then stay in their house until the virus is over. The counter is reset when you leave that group. You can join a different group of 6 in a different place, and conversely, a 7th person can join the group of 5 that you've just left, and form a new group of 6. If you leave the playing area and the building, which the Northumberland players will be doing over lunch, and then come back, re-sanitise and re-get your temperature taken, it's no different than if you'd gone away and come back the next day or the next week.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:04 pmThe English Bridge Union has updated its advice at https://www.ebu.co.uk/node/3901.Matthew Turner wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:19 pmDavid,
The important thing is to have appropriate control measures in place. A player should come into contact with 5 players in a a 5 round Swiss and 5 players in a 6 player all-play-all. To pretend that all play alls are somehow safer detracts from the real issues and doesn't help anyone.
From what I read there, it seems to me that, in a chess context, it would be possible to organise simultaneous 6 player all-play-alls in some venues but that it would not be possible to organise a Swiss tournament in those venues.
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I think Richard is spot on. The Government guidance says that the 6-person rule does not apply to gatherings "for work, or the provision of voluntary or charitable services". Presumably that is the result which the Government would have liked the new regulations to achieve. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective) regulation 5 doesn't do that, because it refers to gatherings which take place on premises operated by a business, charity or public body. On the face of it this covers a gathering which has no connection with the activities of the body that operates the premises but merely happens to take place on those premises, and over which that body has little or no control - such as a weekend congress in a school.Richard Bates wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:03 pmAnd the important point is the classification of the buildings themselves, not necessarily the activities which are being engaged in.
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The term "mingle" isn't well defined. It seems to even confuse the Home Secretary who signed off the Regulations. When asked whether it was legal for two families of four on the way say to a park who happened to meet in the street and exchanged conversation, she said this was illegal. Other commentators differed with the street not being defined as somewhere that meeting was illegalPaul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:23 pmOnce you have two groups of six, the two groups must not mingle in anyway, either at the club or outside, as that would be breaking the law.
The organisers of Northumberland presumably still differ from this opinion.Paul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:23 pmLooks to me like a Chess Congress / Swiss Tournament would be breaking the law.
From the EBU document, quoting Governament stuff
Why do the authors of the Government stuff not mention Chess Clubs, Bridge Clubs etc?*formal or informal clubs and hobby clubs (e.g. women’s institute, veteran’s associations, freemasons, sewing clubs, book clubs, crafts clubs, reading groups)
It occurred to my that two players using one set aren't touching the same pieces very often assuming adjusting the opponent's pieces wasn't allowed. The only time being during capturing moves.
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Perhaps what’s missing from the new guidelines is more references to the limit on the number of people. For weddings and funerals I believe the limit is 30. I would presume that creatively trying to arrange a wedding reception for 150 people, all in neat smaller groupings wouldn’t really fly with the authorities. They would count everyone as being part of the same event. I would think if pushed the government would put a limit of 30 people in chess congresses however Covid secure they get.
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Yes, but some idiot will spoil it for everyone else by playing the Danish GambitRoger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:45 pmThe term "mingle" isn't well defined. It seems to even confuse the Home Secretary who signed off the Regulations. When asked whether it was legal for two families of four on the way say to a park who happened to meet in the street and exchanged conversation, she said this was illegal. Other commentators differed with the street not being defined as somewhere that meeting was illegalPaul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:23 pmOnce you have two groups of six, the two groups must not mingle in anyway, either at the club or outside, as that would be breaking the law.
The organisers of Northumberland presumably still differ from this opinion.Paul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:23 pmLooks to me like a Chess Congress / Swiss Tournament would be breaking the law.
From the EBU document, quoting Governament stuffWhy do the authors of the Government stuff not mention Chess Clubs, Bridge Clubs etc?*formal or informal clubs and hobby clubs (e.g. women’s institute, veteran’s associations, freemasons, sewing clubs, book clubs, crafts clubs, reading groups)
It occurred to my that two players using one set aren't touching the same pieces very often assuming adjusting the opponent's pieces wasn't allowed. The only time being during capturing moves.
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Are the Eagle twins still MP's ? - Chess Players I believe.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:45 pmThe term "mingle" isn't well defined. It seems to even confuse the Home Secretary who signed off the Regulations. When asked whether it was legal for two families of four on the way say to a park who happened to meet in the street and exchanged conversation, she said this was illegal. Other commentators differed with the street not being defined as somewhere that meeting was illegalPaul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:23 pmOnce you have two groups of six, the two groups must not mingle in anyway, either at the club or outside, as that would be breaking the law.
The organisers of Northumberland presumably still differ from this opinion.Paul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:23 pmLooks to me like a Chess Congress / Swiss Tournament would be breaking the law.
From the EBU document, quoting Governament stuffWhy do the authors of the Government stuff not mention Chess Clubs, Bridge Clubs etc?*formal or informal clubs and hobby clubs (e.g. women’s institute, veteran’s associations, freemasons, sewing clubs, book clubs, crafts clubs, reading groups)
It occurred to my that two players using one set aren't touching the same pieces very often assuming adjusting the opponent's pieces wasn't allowed. The only time being during capturing moves.
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Or 30 people in a chess tournament?Matt Bridgeman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:51 pmPerhaps what’s missing from the new guidelines is more references to the limit on the number of people. For weddings and funerals I believe the limit is 30. I would presume that creatively trying to arrange a wedding reception for 150 people, all in neat smaller groupings wouldn’t really fly with the authorities. They would count everyone as being part of the same event. I would think if pushed the government would put a limit of 30 people in chess congresses however Covid secure they get.
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Yes, both were re-elected as Labour MPs at the last election.Paul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:53 pmAre the Eagle twins still MP's ? - Chess Players I believe.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:45 pmThe term "mingle" isn't well defined. It seems to even confuse the Home Secretary who signed off the Regulations. When asked whether it was legal for two families of four on the way say to a park who happened to meet in the street and exchanged conversation, she said this was illegal. Other commentators differed with the street not being defined as somewhere that meeting was illegalPaul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:23 pmOnce you have two groups of six, the two groups must not mingle in anyway, either at the club or outside, as that would be breaking the law.
The organisers of Northumberland presumably still differ from this opinion.Paul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:23 pmLooks to me like a Chess Congress / Swiss Tournament would be breaking the law.
From the EBU document, quoting Governament stuffWhy do the authors of the Government stuff not mention Chess Clubs, Bridge Clubs etc?*formal or informal clubs and hobby clubs (e.g. women’s institute, veteran’s associations, freemasons, sewing clubs, book clubs, crafts clubs, reading groups)
It occurred to my that two players using one set aren't touching the same pieces very often assuming adjusting the opponent's pieces wasn't allowed. The only time being during capturing moves.
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The Troubadour Theatre is allowed to have 400 in the audience in neat smaller groupings.Matt Bridgeman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:51 pmI would presume that creatively trying to arrange a wedding reception for 150 people, all in neat smaller groupings wouldn’t really fly with the authorities. They would count everyone as being part of the same event. I would think if pushed the government would put a limit of 30 people in chess congresses however Covid secure they get.
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I think there is a difference between having passive socially distanced seating in a cinema/theatre, and sports and games where there is physical interaction with other players. And weddings and funerals. It’s the mingle factor! Lol
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Its not all bad news though
The incessant posts on this topic , along the lines of :
Now 5 entries in the Minor !
A 179 from Peckham ! has entered the Open !
An obscure Australian congress has been postponed !
Seem to have stopped
The incessant posts on this topic , along the lines of :
Now 5 entries in the Minor !
A 179 from Peckham ! has entered the Open !
An obscure Australian congress has been postponed !
Seem to have stopped
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"The term "mingle" isn't well defined. It seems to even confuse the Home Secretary who signed off the Regulations. When asked whether it was legal for two families of four on the way say to a park who happened to meet in the street and exchanged conversation, she said this was illegal."
In fairness, somebody started mentioning numbers...
However, the Regulations seem to be ambiguous, which can't help.
In fairness, somebody started mentioning numbers...
However, the Regulations seem to be ambiguous, which can't help.
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It isn't defined at all, so it has its ordinary meaning. Of course there is room for argument about what that might be. Actually I can't find any precedent for its use (in relation to people, rather than financial assets) in UK legislation.
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Looking at various online dictionary definitions, 'mingle' seems to mean more than just 'meet' and possibly more than 'socialise' - rather it involves 'mixing'.
As I understand it, judges will use dictionaries to establish common meanings of words where such a meaning has not been legally established before or is not defined in the relevant legislation.
As I understand it, judges will use dictionaries to establish common meanings of words where such a meaning has not been legally established before or is not defined in the relevant legislation.
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True, but in the event of a prosecution it would be for the magistrate(s) to apply the word in what they take to be its ordinary meaning. And an appeal court would probably say that, as an ordinary English word, its meaning was a matter for the magistrates.