No one, as far as I know, is suggesting the ECF should "be encouraging people to get around the law." What I am suggesting is that the English CHESS Federation should be encouraging people to play chess rather than, as seems to be the case, searching for reasons not to play chess.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:40 pmIt surely wouldn't be a good look for a national body (and one that less than a decade ago received funding from public funds) to be encouraging people to get around the law. All it would take is for a local organiser to either misunderstand what the ECF was saying or wilfully misinterpret it and then when challenged say, `The ECF told me I could do this,` and suddenly the ECF has to defend itself.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:18 pmThe impression so far is that it has focused on supposed risks without giving thought as to which restrictions are mostly cosmetic and how to get round them.Tim Spanton wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:52 amso perhaps we will see initiatives from the ECF to get OTB chess moving again
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The new restrictions are hardly something you need to "search" for. Of course the ECF is encouraging people to comply with the new guidelines. It can't encourage people to flout them, and offering no advice at all wouldn't be helpful.
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The government issues guidelines about many aspects of living, including units of alcohol, portions of fruit and vegetables, installing smart meters, etc - it is not the English CHESS Federation's job to encourage people to comply with such guidelines.Jacques Parry wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:16 pmThe new restrictions are hardly something you need to "search" for. Of course the ECF is encouraging people to comply with the new guidelines. It can't encourage people to flout them, and offering no advice at all wouldn't be helpful.
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Why do you care if they do?
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The difference is that none of those have anything directly to do with over-the-board competitive chess, whereas gathering large numbers of people together does.Tim Spanton wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:46 pmThe government issues guidelines about many aspects of living, including units of alcohol, portions of fruit and vegetables, installing smart meters, etc - it is not the English CHESS Federation's job to encourage people to comply with such guidelines.Jacques Parry wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:16 pmThe new restrictions are hardly something you need to "search" for. Of course the ECF is encouraging people to comply with the new guidelines. It can't encourage people to flout them, and offering no advice at all wouldn't be helpful.
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Also, failure to comply with those guidelines is not illegal. These guidelines are the Government's explanation of what we can and can't lawfully do. The explanation is not accurate, but you can hardly blame the ECF for accepting it.
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And yet bingo gathers large numbers of people together in conditions in which talking is normal (along with consuming alcohol) and occasional shouting ("Bingo!" or "House!" - I forget which) is also normal, and yet bingo carries on, but the English CHESS Federation joins the doom and gloom merchants.IM Jack Rudd wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:17 pmThe difference is that none of those have anything directly to do with over-the-board competitive chess, whereas gathering large numbers of people together does.Tim Spanton wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:46 pmThe government issues guidelines about many aspects of living, including units of alcohol, portions of fruit and vegetables, installing smart meters, etc - it is not the English CHESS Federation's job to encourage people to comply with such guidelines.Jacques Parry wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:16 pmThe new restrictions are hardly something you need to "search" for. Of course the ECF is encouraging people to comply with the new guidelines. It can't encourage people to flout them, and offering no advice at all wouldn't be helpful.
A major part of the English CHESS Federation's job is to encourage the playing of chess. It is up to individuals to decide if they want to actually play under whatever conditions an event is being held.
BTW, we also get government advice on room temperatures and light-bulbs, but I do not recall the English CHESS Federation trying to enforce such guidelines.
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Amazingly silly remarkTim Spanton wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:58 pm.
BTW, we also get government advice on room temperatures and light-bulbs, but I do not recall the English CHESS Federation trying to enforce such guidelines.
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I seem to recall that when we went into the pandemic in March a lot of people were screaming for the ECF to show leadership and stop over the board events from happening (Blackpool going ahead was extremely controversial). They are now being screamed at for not making over the board events happen. You couldn't make it up.
Leaving aside the fact that the ECF is run by elected volunteers so if you think they could be doing things differently there are opportunities to step up to the plate, the ECF (along with the 4NCL) have done extraordinary work to get a program of online chess up and running so at least we have something rather than nothing.
As has been correctly pointed out there are workarounds for chess events to take place but these need to be carefully managed. And if the worst should happen (ie an outbreak) the buck has to stop somewhere. It might be on the person who failed to ensure that restrictions were followed but also on those who might be seen as giving misleading advice.
Leaving aside the fact that the ECF is run by elected volunteers so if you think they could be doing things differently there are opportunities to step up to the plate, the ECF (along with the 4NCL) have done extraordinary work to get a program of online chess up and running so at least we have something rather than nothing.
As has been correctly pointed out there are workarounds for chess events to take place but these need to be carefully managed. And if the worst should happen (ie an outbreak) the buck has to stop somewhere. It might be on the person who failed to ensure that restrictions were followed but also on those who might be seen as giving misleading advice.
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The ECF aren't doing anything to publicise these. The Northumberland organisers had found a workaround to restrictions which appeared to seriously limit the number of participants at a chess event. It seemed to be something to do with deeming the players to be forming groups of six, but there's no manual for others who might wish to attempt to follow.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:24 pmAs has been correctly pointed out there are workarounds for chess events to take place but these need to be carefully managed.
For someone mostly isolating from external contact, both activities contain a degree of risk, but why should an evening in a chess club present a higher risk of infection than an evening in a restaurant?
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I disagree, but I accept you are an expert in such matters.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:11 pmAmazingly silly remarkTim Spanton wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:58 pm.
BTW, we also get government advice on room temperatures and light-bulbs, but I do not recall the English CHESS Federation trying to enforce such guidelines.
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Amazingly silly remarks. it is not the English CHESS Federation's job. Government rules and for local authorities to enforce - NO funding - wait for the budget.
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It doesn't. However a restaurant has a manager to enforce the `rule of six` and ask people to leave if they refuse to comply. Also they can be held accountable if they deliberately turn a blind eye to it. If a chess club continues to meet who has that accountability? How do you deal with that one person every chess club has who will blithely wander around to see what's happening on other boards despite being told to stay in their group of six?Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:54 pm
For someone mostly isolating from external contact, both activities contain a degree of risk, but why should an evening in a chess club present a higher risk of infection than an evening in a restaurant?
It's also worth noting that the organisers of Northumberland didn't have to clear anything with the ECF but with their local authority. The practicalities of the event will vary from venue to venue (not least the capacity) so how is the ECF supposed to give generic advice about running events.
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Fair comment.Paul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:33 amCurrent Gold Member as wellTim Spanton wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:28 amWell, I've paid £39 of that for 2020-21Paul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:26 am
I think its normal budget is closer to £160,000.
.....just being optimistic that the ECF would share some up to date information with its members.
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Sean Parker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:18 pmFair comment.Paul Robert Jackson wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:33 amCurrent Gold Member as well
.....just being optimistic that the ECF would share some up to date information with its members.
i think they will published something before the AGM as no one know how covid will effect the ECF and now after boris announcement today, i don't think OTB will happen now in 2020!!
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