This is the first time I have encountered such an assertion.On Saturdays we would play all afternoon an evening. On Sundays we had an enforced rest, because the English "blue laws" banned even chess on Sundays
Can you shed light on this?
This is the first time I have encountered such an assertion.On Saturdays we would play all afternoon an evening. On Sundays we had an enforced rest, because the English "blue laws" banned even chess on Sundays
Apologies Roger : I meant to write that I knew what the Blue Laws were. The substantive query was if they were the cause of the banning of chess on Sundays.Roger Lancaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:43 amWikipedia, first paragraph - Blue laws, also known as Sunday laws, are laws designed to restrict or ban some or all Sunday activities for religious or secular reasons, particularly to promote the observance of a day of worship or rest. Blue laws may also restrict shopping or ban sale of certain items on specific days, most often on Sundays in the western world. Blue laws are enforced in parts of the United States and Canada as well as some European countries, particularly in Austria, Germany, Switzerland, and Norway, keeping most stores closed on Sundays.
From such limited basic research as is possible on the internet it sounds as if this may have been a bit of artistic licence/hyperbole. In the sense that the restrictions were caused by the Sunday Observance Act of 1780 which banned the use of buildings/rooms etc for public entertainment etc with the payment of a fee. Presumably/possibly chess would have fallen within this - but/and more relevantly the venues where chess would have been commonly played would i guess have been shut. But no prevention of the playing of chess per se.John Upham wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:05 amWhilst reading The English Chess Scene (Chapter 3 of Chess Secrets I Learned from the Masters, Edward Lasker, Hollis & Carter, 1952) on page 150 I found
This is the first time I have encountered such an assertion.On Saturdays we would play all afternoon an evening. On Sundays we had an enforced rest, because the English "blue laws" banned even chess on Sundays
Can you shed light on this?
Are you suggesting Richard that Lasker would have written that chess was banned on Sundays in England in 1912 despite evidence that it wasn't and that nobody had told him it was banned? Perhaps he saw publicly displayed posters?Richard Bates wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 9:07 amFrom such limited basic research as is possible on the internet it sounds as if this may have been a bit of artistic licence/hyperbole. In the sense that the restrictions were caused by the Sunday Observance Act of 1780 which banned the use of buildings/rooms etc for public entertainment etc with the payment of a fee. Presumably/possibly chess would have fallen within this - but/and more relevantly the venues where chess would have been commonly played would i guess have been shut. But no prevention of the playing of chess per se.John Upham wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:05 amWhilst reading The English Chess Scene (Chapter 3 of Chess Secrets I Learned from the Masters, Edward Lasker, Hollis & Carter, 1952) on page 150 I found
This is the first time I have encountered such an assertion.On Saturdays we would play all afternoon an evening. On Sundays we had an enforced rest, because the English "blue laws" banned even chess on Sundays
Can you shed light on this?
No i'm suggesting that it would have fallen within the range of activities made more difficult by the laws which limited communal use of buildings, and public activities which regularly occurred within them, on Sundays. So if it was within such a venue that he "played all afternoon and evening" on Saturdays, then he would have been forced to stop on Sundays.John Upham wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:46 pmAre you suggesting Richard that Lasker would have written that chess was banned on Sundays in England in 1912 despite evidence that it wasn't and that nobody had told him it was banned? Perhaps he saw publicly displayed posters?Richard Bates wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 9:07 amFrom such limited basic research as is possible on the internet it sounds as if this may have been a bit of artistic licence/hyperbole. In the sense that the restrictions were caused by the Sunday Observance Act of 1780 which banned the use of buildings/rooms etc for public entertainment etc with the payment of a fee. Presumably/possibly chess would have fallen within this - but/and more relevantly the venues where chess would have been commonly played would i guess have been shut. But no prevention of the playing of chess per se.John Upham wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:05 amWhilst reading The English Chess Scene (Chapter 3 of Chess Secrets I Learned from the Masters, Edward Lasker, Hollis & Carter, 1952) on page 150 I found
This is the first time I have encountered such an assertion.
Can you shed light on this?
Sergeant's book on 100 years of British chess was published in the 1930s, so conditions up to 1914 would have been recent memories. Is there anything there about restrictions on playing on Sundays, other than the point that venues might be closed? I believe Sunday shutdowns of licensed premises came in during the Great War but coffee houses and the like may have shut on Sundays anyway.Richard Bates wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:25 pmBut welcome for a chess historian to provide a more knowledgeable and less speculative interpretation.
I don't recall there being any Sunday play at Brighton 1980. I think that it might have been introduced by Stewart Reuben the following year.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:33 pmI don't know when the British Championship Congress first had Sunday play, 1970s probably, but Sunday play was already established for weekend tournaments.
In the 1960s, for sure, there were 11 rounds - 6 [Monday to Saturday] in the first week, 5 [Monday to Friday] in the second.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:33 pmI don't know when the British Championship Congress first had Sunday play, 1970s probably, but Sunday play was already established for weekend tournaments.
That has always been the case for the British Championship proper (until the recent switch to 9 rounds). I assume the reference is to other Congress events?Roger Lancaster wrote: ↑Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:42 pmIn the 1960s, for sure, there were 11 rounds - 6 [Monday to Saturday] in the first week, 5 [Monday to Friday] in the second.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:33 pmI don't know when the British Championship Congress first had Sunday play, 1970s probably, but Sunday play was already established for weekend tournaments.
David Sedgwick suggested it may have been 1981. Those would have been a rapidplay and weekenders. I think also there would always have been adjourned games played out on the Sunday.