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Post by Gerard Killoran » Sat May 11, 2024 11:49 am

Two more Comins Mansfield games.




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Post by John Saunders » Sat May 11, 2024 5:37 pm

Thanks, Gerard. I've added those two games to the Comins Mansfield games collection at BritBase.info.
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Gerard Killoran » Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:25 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
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Erm, can't Black just play 25...Qf5 at the end of that last one?? I think something might have been misrecorded somewhere.
He could, but it's White's move.
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Gerard Killoran » Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:29 pm

A. J. Griffiths, or was it R. J. Griffths?

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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:08 pm

Gerard Killoran wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:29 pm
A. J. Griffiths, or was it R. J. Griffths?
from https://www.saund.org.uk/britbase/pgn/1 ... iewer.html
1976 British U-16 Championship (11-rd Swiss)

(1) David H Cummings 9/11; (2) Nicholas W Ivell 8½; (3-7) John W Branford, M G Bucknell, A Lewis, Malcolm Pein, M P Townsend 7½; (8-10) R J Griffiths, Richard J McMichael, Peter J Sullivan 7; (11-15) Nevil Chan, Tom Farrand, S D Hannan, Bobo Lo, C A Plasa 6½; (16-23) Simon D Brown, M R Charter, R Henley, J S Hill, S Johnson, K Mahon, D Roberts, Ian Duncan Wells 6; (24-29) P Anderson, P B Conway, Francis Rayner, M Shaw, A G Simpson, Robert J Woodcraft 5½; (30-35) Robert D M Alster, M Buckmaster, David Carless, S J Don, N M Jones, Robert C Noyce 5; (36-44) C Barron, M Doran, Trevor G Dunmore, A Gardner, C J Gentile, G M Heap, K J Norbury, R Ormesher, K Rakshit 4½; (45-48) M S Kay, D G Marshall, I R Rudgley, C Suddick 4; (49) P Bill 3½; (50) M V House 3; (51) Marc Bryant 2; (52) Mark L Baxendall 1½.
C A Plasa I think was Carl

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Post by GrahamStuart » Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:22 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:08 pm
Gerard Killoran wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:29 pm
A. J. Griffiths, or was it R. J. Griffths?
I think in this case it was AJ Griffiths (the player was reported as A Griffiths in the WECU Westward Ho! magazine results for the 4 times he played for Hampshire between 1975 and 1977) e.g. https://hampshirechesshistory.co.uk/wp- ... Apr-77.pdf

from https://www.saund.org.uk/britbase/pgn/1 ... iewer.html
1976 British U-16 Championship (11-rd Swiss)

(1) David H Cummings 9/11; (2) Nicholas W Ivell 8½; (3-7) John W Branford, M G Bucknell, A Lewis, Malcolm Pein, M P Townsend 7½; (8-10) R J Griffiths, Richard J McMichael, Peter J Sullivan 7; (11-15) Nevil Chan, Tom Farrand, S D Hannan, Bobo Lo, C A Plasa 6½; (16-23) Simon D Brown, M R Charter, R Henley, J S Hill, S Johnson, K Mahon, D Roberts, Ian Duncan Wells 6; (24-29) P Anderson, P B Conway, Francis Rayner, M Shaw, A G Simpson, Robert J Woodcraft 5½; (30-35) Robert D M Alster, M Buckmaster, David Carless, S J Don, N M Jones, Robert C Noyce 5; (36-44) C Barron, M Doran, Trevor G Dunmore, A Gardner, C J Gentile, G M Heap, K J Norbury, R Ormesher, K Rakshit 4½; (45-48) M S Kay, D G Marshall, I R Rudgley, C Suddick 4; (49) P Bill 3½; (50) M V House 3; (51) Marc Bryant 2; (52) Mark L Baxendall 1½.
C A Plasa I think was Carl

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Post by John Saunders » Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:52 pm

Yes, Graham has beaten me to it. Thanks, Gerard. Almost certainly A J Griffiths. The WECU Grading List for 1976/77 (published within Westward Ho, the WECU bulletin, for September 1976) has A J Griffiths (King Edward VI School, Southampton), graded 158J, so it must be him. There is no other Griffiths. Exceedingly useful having those documents available online, so many thanks to Graham, also to Roger.

I think my source for the 1976 British Championship results must have been the BCF Yearbook (I don't have it to hand at the moment) which is a tad more likely to have typos than locally-produced sources.

I'll add this game to the collection.
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Post by Nick Ivell » Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:55 pm

Yes that's him. I know he was from Southampton.

In that tournament I stayed in the same hotel, and could hear his dreadful coughing overnight - a sign of how ill he was, and how relatively unimportant the chess was.

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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:25 pm

John Saunders wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:52 pm
Almost certainly A J Griffiths. The WECU Grading List for 1976/77 (published within Westward Ho, the WECU bulletin, for September 1976) has A J Griffiths (King Edward VI School, Southampton), graded 158J, so it must be him.
Allan J Griffiths - Hampshire U18 Championship 1975/76 - "There were four players a point behind the joint winners, with Allan J Griffiths ...".

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Post by John Saunders » Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:57 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:25 pm
John Saunders wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:52 pm
Almost certainly A J Griffiths. The WECU Grading List for 1976/77 (published within Westward Ho, the WECU bulletin, for September 1976) has A J Griffiths (King Edward VI School, Southampton), graded 158J, so it must be him.
Allan J Griffiths - Hampshire U18 Championship 1975/76 - "There were four players a point behind the joint winners, with Allan J Griffiths ...".
Many thanks, Ian - I spotted this myself a few minutes ago and have already applied an amendment.

Many thanks also to Graham Stuart for posting those links to his brilliant Hampshire Chess History website. It's one of the very best British chess history sites around, right up there with the SCCU archive and Steve Mann's Yorkshire Chess History.

I note that Allan Griffiths also played in a number of other British Championships in the 1970s and I shall have to update the names of those too when I'm back home from holiday (I'm currently on a ship in the Med just off the Moroccan coast! And my usual method for updating BritBase won't work for some reason. I've found a work-round but it's cumbersome).

Incidentally, tournament programmes from British Championships are extremely useful for discovering players' forenames and places of residence. I've posted a few of these on BritBase as PDFs but I don't have many. Graham Stuart has posted the 1986 programme and that was very useful for completing the list of competitors on BritBase. It would be good to get some more scanned.
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Post by John Saunders » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:16 pm

Anyone fancy figuring out a garbled score? It's not an important game but I thought a fellow game score masochist might enjoy trying to make sense of it. From the Bristol Evening Post, 23 July 1955. At first I thought it was just a question of the two columns being out of alignment but when it became obvious that there was more to it, I decided watching football was an easier option.
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:33 pm

John Saunders wrote:
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At first I thought it was just a question of the two columns being out of alignment but when it became obvious that there was more to it, I decided watching football was an easier option.
If you insert 11... Nce7 into the score then all other moves are legal and plausible.


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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by John Saunders » Tue Jun 18, 2024 7:56 am

Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:33 pm
John Saunders wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:16 pm
At first I thought it was just a question of the two columns being out of alignment but when it became obvious that there was more to it, I decided watching football was an easier option.
If you insert 11... Nce7 into the score then all other moves are legal and plausible.
That's excellent. Thanks, Ian.
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by James Pratt » Tue Jun 18, 2024 7:17 pm

I remembered Adam Griffiths. Is Allan a correct spelling anyways? SD Bell and AGH Kluth went to the same College, Southampton men yes. Mark BaxandAll, Andrew P Lewis (aka Whale Piss don't ask), Martin Buckmaster, David R Carless became an fm in Hong Kong, Mark Shaw, M Paul Townsend.
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Re: Britbase Updates

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:09 pm

James Pratt wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2024 7:17 pm
I remembered Adam Griffiths. Is Allan a correct spelling anyways?
I noticed that AJ Griffiths played on top board for King Edward VI school in a match (Sunday Times third place playoff) in 1979, which makes him a bit younger than I thought he was (born around 1961?). On board 2 was Tim Joslin, who might remember him. Is anyone on here in contact with Tim?
https://x.com/timmjoslin?lang=en

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