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Jon D'Souza-Eva
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by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue Jun 18, 2024 8:30 pm
James Pratt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 7:17 pm
I remembered Adam Griffiths. Is Allan a correct spelling anyways?
That's interesting, James, because an Adam Jefferson Griffiths died in 1986. His date of birth was 10th June, 1961, and his probate gives his date of death as 9th February, 1986, and his address as 5 Glen Eyre Road, Southampton (though his death was registered in the Kensington and Chelsea registration district).
This obituary of Adam Griffiths' father, Hubert Brian Griffiths, mentions that Adam had cystic fibrosis, which would explain the terrible coughing that Nick Ivell commented on.
https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/O ... _Guardian/
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John Saunders
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by John Saunders » Tue Jun 18, 2024 9:24 pm
Thanks, Jon. I buy into the Adam Jefferson Griffiths identification, having seen the above and then found a reference to Adam Griffiths (Southampton) being an ex-Hampshire U16 Champion and playing in the 1976 BCF Congress in a regional newspaper (Liverpool Echo, 12 August 1976). I've made the necessary BritBase updates. Thanks also to James for raising the query.
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by Gerard Killoran » Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:52 pm
The unlucky player of the White pieces missed a couple of wins against a highly regarded opponent.
R. T. R. Sergeant was a senior member of Edinburgh Chess Club and sadly died in 1962 at the age of 86, after being knocked down by a taxi.
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by GrahamStuart » Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:39 pm
John Saunders wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 9:24 pm
Thanks, Jon. I buy into the Adam Jefferson Griffiths identification, having seen the above and then found a reference to Adam Griffiths (Southampton) being an ex-Hampshire U16 Champion and playing in the 1976 BCF Congress in a regional newspaper (Liverpool Echo, 12 August 1976). I've made the necessary BritBase updates. Thanks also to James for raising the query.
Thanks for the info on the Hampshire U16 champion as a number of these are detailed in the AGM minutes in the 1970's, but not every year. Adam Griffiths must have been one of the years not mentioned. There used to be some trophies for the Hampshire Juniors, but these are not in the HCA's hands anymore. I think some may have gone to the HJCA but probably not these ones. These trophies would have all the details?
I will put a list together of the ones I know sometime, but the scanned minutes do detail some e.g.
1974 U16 & 18 Paul Hackman. States that U16 was already in his possession, so he may have won in 1973? 1975 had no info, which may be when Adam Griffiths won his title?
1976 was MR Charter.
I also need to double check the scans I added to the website for the 75/76 championship as the U16 champion was probably the highest finishing player in the U18 who was U16. The U14 had separate tournaments for both boys and girls.
https://hampshirechesshistory.co.uk/wp- ... 85-all.pdf
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by Kevin Thurlow » Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:27 pm
"1976 was MR Charter."
I assume that's Mark Charter, later of Civil Service?
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by James Pratt » Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:24 pm
Hackman turned up playing for Andover about 10 years ago. I only played once in Terry Hollington's junior events, in 1975, when Carey Groves and Jane Seymour played in the same event at Southampton Uni. There was no separate U16s or Girls' trophy or prizes. Glenn Lambert did the adjudications which dates it charmingly.
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by John Saunders » Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:27 pm
Gerard Killoran wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2024 6:52 pm
The unlucky player of the White pieces missed a couple of wins against a highly regarded opponent.
R. T. R. Sergeant was a senior member of Edinburgh Chess Club and sadly died in 1962 at the age of 86, after being knocked down by a taxi.
Thanks for the game, Gerard. I had some difficulty finding R T R S's name in statutory records but it turns out the usual spelling of his surname was Serjeant, under which name his birth, marriage, death and census records may be found. His work took him round the country: he seems to have been active in chess in Newcastle before going north of the border permanently in the 1920s. The Newcastle Chronicle for 16 July 1904 has an image of him with a splendid Kitchener moustache and a potted account of his chess background, and there are various game scores involving him to be found in this and other regional papers. I'm glad he spelled his name Serjeant as at least it means there should be less likelihood of his being confused with Messrs E G and PW Sergeant (although the 1922 BCM managed to do so, rendering his name as 'R Sergeant' in the tournament crosstable).
An unrelated minor point: when adding games to BritBase, I remove all diacritics (e.g. Andre Muffang rather than André Muffang). Though I think reasonably up-to-date versions of ChessBase can cope successfully with diacritics, earlier versions struggled, with the result that the player index could be seriously fouled up. So, for the benefit of anyone who still uses elderly versions of the CB software, I leave them out.
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by Gerard Killoran » Thu Jun 20, 2024 12:28 pm
An unrelated minor point: when adding games to BritBase, I remove all diacritics (e.g. Andre Muffang rather than André Muffang). Though I think reasonably up-to-date versions of ChessBase can cope successfully with diacritics, earlier versions struggled, with the result that the player index could be seriously fouled up. So, for the benefit of anyone who still uses elderly versions of the CB software, I leave them out.
Touché
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by John Saunders » Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:34 am
Can anyone help reconstruct this score? From a David Mabbs scorebook...

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Here's my very rough first take, but it is obvious that there's something wrong somewhere.
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by John Saunders » Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:48 am
Here's another tough one. This one exhibits signs of what I call Eric Morecambe Syndrome - the right moves, but not necessarily in the right order...

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... and my not very convincing first go at interpreting (at least it saves people having key in the earlier accurate moves)...
This is the 2nd of three. One more to come.
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by John Saunders » Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:06 pm
The third of three - the last (for now)...

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... and my early attempt at deciphering...
My thanks in advance to anyone attempting to figure these scores out. I've also notified David himself to see if he can help.
An aside: I often find it easier to work from original scoresheets rather than neat copies entered into scorebooks. Time trouble is nearly always visible in the handwriting and gives you an idea when the score starts to go awry. Also, crossings out, moves written over dashes made in lieu of moves, etc - all of it helps the chess detective (so long as it is still legible). When entering games into scorebooks, it is not good practice simply to copy the moves from the original score without first checking them through on a board or screen.
Final question - anyone know forename(s) for TD Welsh? I'm hoping Roger de Coverly may know as I think TD Welsh was a contemporary of his at Cambridge. EDIT: Roger did know - he is Thomas D Welsh.
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by Kevin Thurlow » Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:36 pm
"When entering games into scorebooks, it is not good practice simply to copy the moves from the original score without first checking them through on a board or screen."
Yes - I put games on Chessbase first, correcting errors en route, then copy games from Chessbase into scorebooks (for proper games) and scorepads (for CC/RP etc.).
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Jon D'Souza-Eva
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by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:46 pm
I used to throw my scoresheets straight in the bin as soon as the match was finished. I've never played a game worth keeping for posterity.
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by Ian Thompson » Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:02 pm
Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 4:36 pm
Yes - I put games on Chessbase first, correcting errors en route, then copy games from Chessbase into scorebooks (for proper games) and scorepads (for CC/RP etc.).
If it's a game of mine that's been published online, I always copy my version of the game and the online version of the game into a single database and double check the database to check for discrepancies between the two before I dispose of my scoresheet. It's usually the online version of the game that's wrong when there are discrepancies, but occasionally it's me that's made a mistake.
If the game's not available online I'll also keep the scoresheet until I've analysed the game with an engine. If that reveals any really bad moves I'll check the ChessBase version of the game against the scoresheet. Regrettably, when that happens, what I've entered in Chessbase is usually correct.
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by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Jul 02, 2024 7:11 pm
John Saunders wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 10:34 am
Can anyone help reconstruct this score? From a David Mabbs scorebook...
In the final position, doesn't Black at least have drawing chances after 54....c2?
Which makes me wonder if something was missed somewhere.
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