Bognor 1968

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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by GrahamStuart » Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:45 am

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I played in this event in the "Open Swiss". There are two or three comments to add.

Firstly regarding Louis de Veauce. I have clear recollection of Louis in a brilliant yellow flowery shirt (think Milton Jones currently) spending most post matches playing Walter Browne at five minute chess for money.

Secondly from the cross tables you might note that Seth Saverymuttu who was a pupil at St.John's College, Southsea, played in the Churchill Memorial Tournament but also seeming to appear in the Open Swiss as well. This, of course, is incorrect. It was Seth's sister Manel Saverymuttu who played in this event (we drew in Round Four). She went on to be British Under 18 Girls Champion the same year in Bristol.

Finally the winner of the Open Swiss was David Browning who went on to represent Guernsey in the 1976 Haifa Olympiad. John Saunders notes he passed away in 1998 at a young age https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/244 ... k-browning.
A good spot on Manel Saverymuttu playing in the Open Swiss. Manel played for Gosport Chess Club (as did Seth) and can be seen in a club photo from 1969 which also includes David Browning. Walter James E Yeeles also played at Bognor in the Churchill Memorial.
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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Thu Aug 01, 2024 12:38 pm

David Browning was heavily involved in the Guernsey tournament. He was a really nice person and attended the tournament in October 1997, despite his cancer treatment, and was surprisingly upbeat.

John Saunders knows more about Jim O'Dell than most - they were team-mates for some years.

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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by John Saunders » Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:23 pm

Neil Graham wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:46 am
I played in this event in the "Open Swiss". There are two or three comments to add.

Secondly from the cross tables you might note that Seth Saverymuttu who was a pupil at St.John's College, Southsea, played in the Churchill Memorial Tournament but also seeming to appear in the Open Swiss as well. This, of course, is incorrect. It was Seth's sister Manel Saverymuttu who played in this event (we drew in Round Four). She went on to be British Under 18 Girls Champion the same year in Bristol.
Thanks, Neil. I have now amended the file to show Manel rather than Seth. The fault was that of CHESS Magazine who placed S. Saverymuttu in both sections. I remember thinking this odd at the time of scanning and collating the results info but didn't remember to go back and investigate further. Having now fixed that problem I find that CHESS Magazine made a similar error with the Speigel brothers, placing M D (Maurice David) Speigel in both the Open Swiss and the Major sections (which I assume took place simultaneously - do please tell me if I'm wrong). I've decided to assume that it was Jack (whom I think was the stronger of the two) in the Open Swiss and Maurice in the Major, with a note to that effect.

Jim O'Dell and I were team-mates for the now-defunct Mitcham CC and also HM Treasury CC for many years. Indeed it was Jim who recruited me for Mitcham in about 1979 after we had become Civil Service League club colleagues. I'm glad to hear he's still playing. I think we can utilise a familiar football chant here and conclude that "there is only one Jim O'Dell." Best wishes, Jim, whoever you are now playing for.

I'm glad that the 1968 Bognor tournament as featured on BritBase has elicited such a lot of interest and I value all such feedback. Many thanks to all who have commented here. Just to add, there are a great many other historical tournaments featured on BritBase which are worthy of similar treatment.
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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:38 pm

According to the ratings site, Kidderminster is where Jim O'Dell has played in recent years.

He did seemingly retire from serious chess for around a decade until 5 years or so ago.
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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:49 pm

Ooh, a challenge. Let's think about which other tournaments could be dissected/discussed/admired (maybe even proofread!)? One of the Hastings Challengers? An obscure British Championship, a strong Open??

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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by Neil Graham » Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:06 pm

John Saunders wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:23 pm
Neil Graham wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:46 am
I played in this event in the "Open Swiss". There are two or three comments to add.

Secondly from the cross tables you might note that Seth Saverymuttu who was a pupil at St.John's College, Southsea, played in the Churchill Memorial Tournament but also seeming to appear in the Open Swiss as well. This, of course, is incorrect. It was Seth's sister Manel Saverymuttu who played in this event (we drew in Round Four). She went on to be British Under 18 Girls Champion the same year in Bristol.
Thanks, Neil. I have now amended the file to show Manel rather than Seth. The fault was that of CHESS Magazine who placed S. Saverymuttu in both sections. I remember thinking this odd at the time of scanning and collating the results info but didn't remember to go back and investigate further. Having now fixed that problem I find that CHESS Magazine made a similar error with the Speigel brothers, placing M D (Maurice David) Speigel in both the Open Swiss and the Major sections (which I assume took place simultaneously - do please tell me if I'm wrong). I've decided to assume that it was Jack (whom I think was the stronger of the two) in the Open Swiss and Maurice in the Major, with a note to that effect.

Jim O'Dell and I were team-mates for the now-defunct Mitcham CC and also HM Treasury CC for many years. Indeed it was Jim who recruited me for Mitcham in about 1979 after we had become Civil Service League club colleagues. I'm glad to hear he's still playing. I think we can utilise a familiar football chant here and conclude that "there is only one Jim O'Dell." Best wishes, Jim, whoever you are now playing for.

I'm glad that the 1968 Bognor tournament as featured on BritBase has elicited such a lot of interest and I value all such feedback. Many thanks to all who have commented here. Just to add, there are a great many other historical tournaments featured on BritBase which are worthy of similar treatment.
I think it was Maurice in the Open. I scored 4/8 (in Round Order 0 v Browning, 1 v Mylechreest, 0.5 v Leach, 0.5 v Miss Saverymuttu, 0.5 v McCreath, 0.5 v Wodzianak; 0 v Shenfield; 1 v Burrows). My father played in the Veterans which nowadays have been given the much more respectable title of Seniors. Veterans always conjures up a picture of decrepit cars chugging between London & Brighton.

Regarding the photo of Gosport CC, I played against a number of the players whilst at Portsmouth Poly from 1969-1972.

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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:07 pm

"Let's think about which other tournaments could be dissected/discussed/admired (maybe even proofread!)? "

Just pick one! I think the easier ones are those where you actually know some of the players, so might spot mis-identifications. Some players change their names as well. In Civil Service chess, RCA Lee-Pentecost changed his name to RCA Lee-Anderson. If he were alive today, he might change it again... On a serious note, if anyone knows why he changed it, please tell me.

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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Thu Aug 01, 2024 9:07 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:07 pm
In Civil Service chess, RCA Lee-Pentecost changed his name to RCA Lee-Anderson. If he were alive today, he might change it again... On a serious note, if anyone knows why he changed it, please tell me.
Anderson was his mother's maiden name. I suspect the "A" in RCA stood for Anderson.
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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:19 pm

Thanks Jon - impressive knowledge again!
Edit - He did style himself RC Pentecost at first, then RC Lee-Pentecost, the A seemed to arrive later.

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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by John Clarke » Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:34 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 10:19 pm
Thanks Jon - impressive knowledge again!
Edit - He did style himself RC Pentecost at first, then RC Lee-Pentecost, the A seemed to arrive later.
For a bit more elaboration on this, see the post I made several years ago. Thanks, Jon D'Souza-Eva, for confirming the source for the "Anderson".

(And my thanks also to Messrs Graham and Saunders for clearing up the Saverymuttu and Spiegel anomalies. I'd spotted those too, but didn't have the time or resources to follow them up.)
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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by John Saunders » Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:35 pm

Neil Graham wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 8:06 pm

I think it was Maurice in the Open. I scored 4/8 (in Round Order 0 v Browning, 1 v Mylechreest, 0.5 v Leach, 0.5 v Miss Saverymuttu, 0.5 v McCreath, 0.5 v Wodzianak; 0 v Shenfield; 1 v Burrows). My father played in the Veterans which nowadays have been given the much more respectable title of Seniors. Veterans always conjures up a picture of decrepit cars chugging between London & Brighton.
Thanks, Neil. I've switched the two Speigels around to accord with your memory.

Incidentally I hadn't realised until today (or, just as likely, had long forgotten) that Maurice D Speigel (1926-1979) was the father of Cliff Stanford (1954-2022) of Redbus and Demon Internet fame (although I had retained an awareness that the Redbus man was related to Jack Speigel). Stanford's company sponsored four (or maybe more?) strong knock-out tournaments held as part of the annual Southend Easter Congress from 1999. His photo appeared on the front cover of BCM for May 1999 (the month before I became editor). He's on Wikipedia, though his birth surname Speigel has been misspelt.
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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by Gerard Killoran » Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:33 am

Complete game from Harry Golombek's column

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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by John Saunders » Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:30 am

Gerard Killoran wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2024 2:33 am
Complete game from Harry Golombek's column
Many thanks for the extra moves at the end of that game, Gerard - I have added them to the 1968 Bognor tournament file on BritBase and also to the Peter C Griffiths file.
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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by GrahamStuart » Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:40 pm

Julie Denning wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 11:11 am
"Finally the winner of the Open Swiss was David Browning who went on to represent Guernsey in the 1976 Haifa Olympiad."

As did my father, who was listed as 1st, of 2, reserves, further confirming the point made elsewhere recently that in the past Olympiad teams had 6 members, including 2 reserves.

Also from the list of Bognor 1968 players, I wonder whether the J O'dell is James E O'dell who now plays for Eastbourne and / or the Jim O'dell who played for Manchester University c.1970
Although David Browning was only one of the people mentioned in in this post, I was supplied with an Obituary from James Pratt which I have re-produced and added with games to my website.

https://hampshirechesshistory.co.uk/dav ... -obituary/

If anyone else would like to add their memories of David to the post I would be happy to expand.

I have chosen this post to reply to just in case Julie did not have the two games which her father played in the Olympiad, which the winning one is below.

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Re: Bognor 1968

Post by Julie Denning » Thu Aug 22, 2024 7:22 pm

GrahamStuart wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2024 3:40 pm

I have chosen this post to reply to just in case Julie did not have the two games which her father played in the Olympiad, which the winning one is below.

[White "Thomassen, Joachim"]
[Black "Denning, William Frederick"]
[Result "0-1"]

[/pgn]
Thanks Graham for this. I have seen my father's games previously, although I'm not sure I've kept a record of them. One error, though, is his christian names given in the record you've quoted. He was actually Wilfred John. The "William" is understandable as he was known as "Bill", but I've no idea where the "Frederick" came from. Just like to correct that as I know we have a number of dedicated chess historians on the Forum. I once contacted another website and they agreed to correct their record in this regard.

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