Brothers playing for England

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by MJMcCready » Sat Apr 25, 2026 2:59 am

Alan Walton wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2026 1:29 pm
Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2026 9:56 am
More recently there's been Stanley and Frankie Badacsonyi and Amandeep and Adamjeet Singh.
I doubt the Badacsonyi would have played together in the same junior teams since the ages are too far apart (3 years); the Singh's may have but it would have to have been this year when Adamjeet would be in his last for the U11 and Amandeep playing as an U9 on the bottom boards

Obviously all of them would have played for England at some stage but that wasn't the question

I also have an issue around these events like the seniors when saying you are playing for England, yes the first team since there is selection crieria (possibly??), but the others are on a volunteer basis so it is just a title and technically not playing for England officially
It is not normally like this is it? Usually it's the playing elite that got the invites I thought.

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sat Apr 25, 2026 4:21 am

England A is always an elite team in these events. Other England teams are more of a movable feast.

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Apr 25, 2026 4:34 am

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
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Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2026 10:11 pm
England would have to go some to emulate these guys...
https://s1.chess-results.com/tnr1396652 ... 5&SNode=S0
The team is called "Six Brothers", suggesting they have two more in reserve!
Last year, and in previous years, they've only been 5 brothers. Where's the new brother come from? It can hardly be a new birth when the existing brothers are playing in an Over-50s event.

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Apr 25, 2026 4:45 am

Alan Walton wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2026 1:29 pm
I also have an issue around these events like the seniors when saying you are playing for England, yes the first team since there is selection crieria (possibly??), but the others are on a volunteer basis so it is just a title and technically not playing for England officially
I think you are technically officially playing for England because the ECF selected you for the team. It's just not much of an achievement, and nothing to be proud of, when the only selection criterion is the willingness and ability to pay all the costs of participation yourself.
MJMcCready wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2026 2:59 am
It is not normally like this is it? Usually it's the playing elite that got the invites I thought.
Everyone over the minimum age limit is invited, and has been for many years. The only requirement is that they're willing to pay for it, although there is/was a statement that players rated below about 1700 wouldn't enjoy it to put them off applying.

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by GrahamStuart » Sat Apr 25, 2026 8:18 am

Ian Thompson wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2026 4:34 am
Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2026 12:19 am
Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2026 10:11 pm
England would have to go some to emulate these guys...
https://s1.chess-results.com/tnr1396652 ... 5&SNode=S0
The team is called "Six Brothers", suggesting they have two more in reserve!
Last year, and in previous years, they've only been 5 brothers. Where's the new brother come from? It can hardly be a new birth when the existing brothers are playing in an Over-50s event.
According to the US Rating site there are six players with the Jhunjhnuwala surname, although two are inactive. Could be they just wanted to reflect how many brothers there are in the family who play chess.
https://ratings.uschess.org/?fuzzy=Jhunjhnuwala

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Apr 25, 2026 11:15 am

GrahamStuart wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2026 8:18 am
According to the US Rating site there are six players with the Jhunjhnuwala surname, although two are inactive. Could be they just wanted to reflect how many brothers there are in the family who play chess.
https://ratings.uschess.org/?fuzzy=Jhunjhnuwala
They played as a team for Hong Kong at the 1974 Student Olympiad in Teesside

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by John Upham » Sat Apr 25, 2026 12:59 pm

Could I be awfully PC and ask about siblings playing for England instead?
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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by Ian Thompson » Sun Apr 26, 2026 12:41 am

John Upham wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2026 12:59 pm
Could I be awfully PC and ask about siblings playing for England instead?
I'd be rather surprised if a female player has ever played for an England open team, except for Seniors events. Possibly siblings might have played at the same event, with one in the open team and one in the female team (e.g. Adam and Harriet Hunt, or Jovanka and Miroslav Houska, in junior events).

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Apr 26, 2026 9:48 am

Sisters in the same women's team would count. There are of course numerous high profile examples from around the world but ( perhaps surprisingly ) I can't think of any in England.
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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by Mick Norris » Sun Apr 26, 2026 11:41 am

NickFaulks wrote:
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Sisters in the same women's team would count. There are of course numerous high profile examples from around the world but ( perhaps surprisingly ) I can't think of any in England.
Possibly not at national level, but Heywood in the Manchester League have a pair of sisters and their brother, all of whom played 4NCL for the Manticores, so I imagine it's relatively common
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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Apr 26, 2026 12:02 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2026 4:21 am
Other England teams are more of a movable feast.
There's also England 3 in the Over 50 aka "Team Ledger".

They play quite frequently as a team. There's Blackthorne in the 4NCL and before that Bedford in the National Clab.

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by Kevin Williamson » Sun Apr 26, 2026 12:29 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2026 12:02 pm
IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2026 4:21 am
Other England teams are more of a movable feast.
There's also England 3 in the Over 50 aka "Team Ledger".

They play quite frequently as a team. There's Blackthorne in the 4NCL and before that Bedford in the National Clab.
And also the Bedfordshire county team. In the Beds V Middlesex, Minor Counties quarter final on 14/5/94, the top 5 Beds boards were called either Ledger or Hare. As far as I know, the two Hares were not related.

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by MJMcCready » Sun Apr 26, 2026 2:59 pm

Kevin Williamson wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2026 12:29 pm
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2026 12:02 pm
IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2026 4:21 am
Other England teams are more of a movable feast.
There's also England 3 in the Over 50 aka "Team Ledger".

They play quite frequently as a team. There's Blackthorne in the 4NCL and before that Bedford in the National Clab.
And also the Bedfordshire county team. In the Beds V Middlesex, Minor Counties quarter final on 14/5/94, the top 5 Beds boards were called either Ledger or Hare. As far as I know, the two Hares were not related.
The Hares used to play for Milton Keynes didnt they?

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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Apr 26, 2026 4:14 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Sun Apr 26, 2026 9:48 am
Sisters in the same women's team would count. There are of course numerous high profile examples from around the world but ( perhaps surprisingly ) I can't think of any in England.
There were the Eagle twins back in the day, did they play for England at junior level?
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Re: Brothers playing for England

Post by Tim Harding » Fri May 01, 2026 12:50 pm

The Jhunjhnuwala brothers (originally from Hong Kong) play in this event every year. Only four actually play but the fifth may sometimes travel with them perhaps. The sixth is, I think, either deceased or didn't move to USA. I never knew the forenames of numbers 5 and 6.
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