ECF Director elections for 2012/13

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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:59 am

"Maybe he should be allowed to produce a statement before people go digging around on the internet?"

Why? We got a new Chief Executive at work a few years ago and the internet searches have told us a lot more about him than he has...
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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Carl Hibbard » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:53 am

Please ECF no more crappy documents, there is no excuse for not providing some of these as PDF's - my mom could organise that :oops:
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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:49 am

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Mick Norris wrote:Roger's election address can be found here:
http://www.englishchess.org.uk/?page_id=897
...by downloading a document in .DOC format.

I really do not know why the ECF website does that. It would be much easier to access it if it were a page on the website.
Carl Hibbard wrote:Please ECF no more crappy documents, there is no excuse for not providing some of these as PDF's - my mom could organise that :oops:
For an earlier discussion on this, please see http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php ... 1&start=30 (starting about half way down page 3).

ECF, please ignore Jack and Carl. What you're doing is fine.

I want Word documents, not htmls which I have to paste into Word or pdfs which I have to convert to Word.

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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Gavin Strachan » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:51 am

Carl Hibbard wrote:
Sean Hewitt wrote:I suggest starting a new thread if you would like to debate the outcomes of the membership scheme.
Yes please not another Roger doesn't like the scheme thread :roll:
Roger Roger.

As the president is a ceremonial type role if Roger E wanted to change the membership scheme wouldn't he need to go for a committee role (feel free to correct)? I think the elections could be as close as the US presidential elections.

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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:36 am

Kevin Thurlow wrote:"Maybe he should be allowed to produce a statement before people go digging around on the internet?"

Why? We got a new Chief Executive at work a few years ago and the internet searches have told us a lot more about him than he has...
Common courtesy. Let someone speak for themselves first, and then add more information to threads on this forum with internet searches if you wish. Doing the internet searches first risks throwing up a misleading picture as not all the information will be there.

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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:38 am

That may be courteous but if it is, I would agree with Kevin that it is surely not common!

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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Carl Hibbard » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:43 am

David Sedgwick wrote:ECF, please ignore Jack and Carl. What you're doing is fine.

I want Word documents, not htmls which I have to paste into Word or pdfs which I have to convert to Word.
If you don't have Word you do what then?

Have to totally disagree on this one David no excuse for not having PDF
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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Sean Hewitt » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:46 am

Carl Hibbard wrote:Have to totally disagree on this one David no excuse for not having PDF
Radical thought - have both?!

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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Ian Kingston » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:51 am

Carl Hibbard wrote:
David Sedgwick wrote:ECF, please ignore Jack and Carl. What you're doing is fine.

I want Word documents, not htmls which I have to paste into Word or pdfs which I have to convert to Word.
If you don't have Word you do what then?

Have to totally disagree on this one David no excuse for not having PDF
There's always GoogleDocs. They can be viewed online or downloaded in Word, OpenDocument format, RTF, PDF, plain text or HTML. That should keep everybody happy. (Except that one guy still using DisplayWrite on a PC-AT.)

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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:30 am

I do of course have pdf. It's just that it's much less user friendly than Word. It's no longer a major problem for me - I've bought a converter.

Never, ever, use Google Docs - always download properly. Google Docs doesn't always display the text correctly. In the last year, I've been accused by both Sean Hewitt and Mike Gunn of omitting key sections of a document. I hadn't; Google Docs had.

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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Carl Hibbard » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:34 am

Sean Hewitt wrote:
Carl Hibbard wrote:Have to totally disagree on this one David no excuse for not having PDF
Radical thought - have both?!
The manly choice is of course BBEdit on a Mac but then I am a little biased

It's Word here at work :o
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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Ian Kingston » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:54 am

David Sedgwick wrote:I do of course have pdf. It's just that it's much less user friendly than Word. It's no longer a major problem for me - I've bought a converter.

Never, ever, use Google Docs - always download properly. Google Docs doesn't always display the text correctly. In the last year, I've been accused by both Sean Hewitt and Mike Gunn of omitting key sections of a document. I hadn't; Google Docs had.
GoogleDocs can certainly make a mess of a complex Word document (tables and columns can throw it off), but so can Word itself. The usual culprit in the latter case is using a font that the document's recipient doesn't have. Compose the document online in GoogleDocs and you're unlikely to have a problem.

I would definitely advocate GoogleDocs as a more flexible solution. And if all you're doing is reading a document I can't see how Word is more flexible than PDF.
Carl Hibbard wrote:The manly choice is of course BBEdit on a Mac but then I am a little biased
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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by John Upham » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:55 am

There is still a lot to be said for Word Perfect or Vu Writer: both of these hold a special place for me.

When a lecturer at The University of Reading in IT I was asked to help a secretary who was trying out Word Perfect for the first time.

I was asked why the corrections she was making were not taking effect.

After I had scrapped the lumps of Tippex from the new fangled Visual Display Unit I was able to provide an explanation. :lol:
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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by Ian Kingston » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:15 pm

John Upham wrote:There is still a lot to be said for Word Perfect or Vu Writer: both of these hold a special place for me.

When a lecturer at The University of Reading in IT I was asked to help a secretary who was trying out Word Perfect for the first time.

I was asked why the corrections she was making were not taking effect.

After I had scrapped the lumps of Tippex from the new fangled Visual Display Unit I was able to provide an explanation. :lol:
WordPerfect still beats everything else easily - still my main workhorse. (Whoever uses that gets my - non-existent - vote for President. #notreallyontopic)

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Re: ECF Director elections for 2012/13

Post by John Upham » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:18 pm

Ian Kingston wrote: WordPerfect still beats everything else easily - still my main workhorse. (Whoever uses that gets my - non-existent - vote for President. #notreallyontopic)
For a full-on SGML style approach I marked up my D.Phil thesis using LaTeX being scared of its super-set, TeX.

Anyone used LaTeX or Tex? I'm not referring to specialist clothing or cooking products.
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