Anand v Gelfand

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by JustinHorton » Sat May 19, 2012 11:21 am

Ian Kingston wrote:The World Championship has popped up on the BBC News radar: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18074307.
As indeed it did two postings above your own....
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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Mats Winther » Sat May 19, 2012 12:07 pm

With the aid of computers, chess has been perfected. Perfection leads to the demise of the game. Likewise, in the fine arts, to strive after perfection kills the organic and living element. If something radical doesn't happen soon, this match will be remembered as the dullest match in World Championship history. Is this what the players want to be remembered for? There is a strong urge to achieve perfect control and perfection, but what is behind this drive?

If Gelfand had instead opened with 1.b3 (or even 1.a3 as championed by GM Erik Lundin, with the intent to play the Scandinavian in advance) then it would have developed into an interesting struggle. White should not go into charted territory with such a minute advantage, it only helps Black. When playing White it's better to go into uncharted territory with a minute advantage (1.b3, 1.g3, or whatever), or to play really critical variations. The opening choice that Gelfand makes is illogical.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Ian Kingston » Sat May 19, 2012 9:20 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Ian Kingston wrote:The World Championship has popped up on the BBC News radar: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18074307.
As indeed it did two postings above your own....
So it did.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun May 20, 2012 12:29 pm

although it's quite possibly not worth the trouble, how does one follow the game today? chessbomb is not working today, at least not for me

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Angus French » Sun May 20, 2012 12:34 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:although it's quite possibly not worth the trouble, how does one follow the game today? chessbomb is not working today, at least not for me
http://moscow2012.fide.com/en/ provides the official coverage though there's currently an art interlude. http://moscow2012.fide.com/en/live?g=20120520 has Houdini analysis.


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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Paul Cooksey » Sun May 20, 2012 12:53 pm

At the significant risk of looking stupid in an hours time, a lot of strategic complexity in today's opening. I'm optimistic about seeing a full game.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Carl Hibbard » Sun May 20, 2012 1:08 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:At the significant risk of looking stupid in an hours time, a lot of strategic complexity in today's opening. I'm optimistic about seeing a full game.
Won't even reach move 30
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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by JustinHorton » Sun May 20, 2012 1:12 pm

Angus French wrote: http://moscow2012.fide.com/en/live?g=20120520 has Houdini analysis.
Which is presently hopping back to move 7 all the time, and claiming that Anand is white.
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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun May 20, 2012 1:32 pm

Up to date now, so far as I can tell. There certainly is some real scope for one of them to outplay the other, at least.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Paul McKeown » Sun May 20, 2012 1:38 pm

Yes, 6. c5 is more of a fighting move. Full complement of pieces, some placed slightly awkwardly, isolated pawns, open files, game on.

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Paul McKeown » Sun May 20, 2012 1:39 pm

Still odds on for a draw, though! :D

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by James Coleman » Sun May 20, 2012 2:08 pm

I can't see Gelfand outplaying Anand from here to be honest. I was hoping to see 16.Bxf6

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Paul McKeown » Sun May 20, 2012 3:15 pm

To my untrained eye, Anand's position appears to suffer from all the traditional ills of a Queen's Gambit and none of the benefits of a Slav!

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Re: Anand v Gelfand

Post by Paul McKeown » Sun May 20, 2012 3:17 pm

Gelfand must surely have serious chances for a squeeze from here?

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