Tata Steel 10th-28th Jan 2020

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Re: Tata Steel 10th-28th Jan 2020

Post by Nick Burrows » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:12 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:20 pm
I'm seeing BOGDAN LALIC REFUSED MY DRAW OFFER T-shirts here
:lol:

A niche, yet surely profitable market

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Post by Matt Bridgeman » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:34 pm

I’m in Prague at the moment. Bogdan has 4 wins and 3 draws with two rounds to go in the Prague Open. Solid pro!

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Post by Ian Thompson » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:27 pm

Matt Bridgeman wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:34 pm
I’m in Prague at the moment. Bogdan has 4 wins and 3 draws with two rounds to go in the Prague Open. Solid pro!
He might have some incentive not to agree so many short draws against lower rated players now. I overheard him bemoaning the fact that his rating was going under 2400 prior to the last round at Hastings. He actually gained a couple of points following a last round win, so that's not happened yet.

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Post by Daniel Gormally » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:38 pm

Draw in Caruana-Van Forrest when there was plenty of play left and Black clearly better. Of course you don't see the comp eval in the game but I think it shows again the fault in the draw offer rule. Can you imagine another game or sport where the game is just curtailed midstream

As for Boggie he's a talented player and certainly at some point was 2600 class- in fact he got his rating over there as well, but there was always some fear factor of losing that prevented him from playing on in situations

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Post by JustinHorton » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:27 pm

Similar pawn endings today in the last two games to finish. Not sure I could with certainty tell you the result with best play in either Firouzja-Giri after 43 moves (i.e. the position as I write, the last pieces having just come off) or Duda-Artemiev at the time control.
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Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:49 pm

I see Duda-Artemiev has finished as a draw with the arbiter's king move to e4 being recorded as part of the game.

I think Firouzja-Giri should favour White because his King is far enough forward to make a winning dash to the Queenside.

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Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:20 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:49 pm
I see Duda-Artemiev has finished as a draw with the arbiter's king move to e4 being recorded as part of the game.

I think Firouzja-Giri should favour White because his King is far enough forward to make a winning dash to the Queenside.
You might think they would have worked out a way of stopping this by now......
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Post by Daniel Gormally » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:24 pm

Amazing grind by fiouzja. Maybe giri got a bit casual there and assumed the rook ending was an easy draw. Also firouzja has more fighting skills than his opponent. there were a couple of occasions he could have wimped out and taken a draw which possibly his opponent would have done if the colours had been reversed, but he kept fighting.

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Post by Daniel Gormally » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:52 pm

Be amazed if there's not a carlsen-firouzja world champs match at some point in the future.

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Post by Jonathan Rogers » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:01 pm

Perfectly timed for Leonard's Guardian column. I predict he will also refer to the first forthcoming standard play encounter with Carlsen * and mention the recent blitz ruckus, along with widespread speculation that Firouzja might be the player who dethrones the Norwegian.

Do I win £10 ?

* Naturally I have not checked this, but surely ...

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Post by Leonard Barden » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:13 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:01 pm
Perfectly timed for Leonard's Guardian column. I predict he will also refer to the first forthcoming standard play encounter with Carlsen * and mention the recent blitz ruckus, along with widespread speculation that Firouzja might be the player who dethrones the Norwegian.

Do I win £10 ?

* Naturally I have not checked this, but surely ...
I had written the article though not yet filed it, and only items 1 and 4 were present. Ever obliging, I have added 2 and 3 to the final version.

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Post by Ian Thompson » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:02 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:20 pm
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:49 pm
I see Duda-Artemiev has finished as a draw with the arbiter's king move to e4 being recorded as part of the game.
You might think they would have worked out a way of stopping this by now......
They have - see the last paragraph of https://www.digitalgametechnology.com/i ... ratio=1.25. But has anyone ever seen one of these "Game-end pieces"?

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Post by Brian Towers » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:18 pm

Leonard Barden wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:13 pm
Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:01 pm
Perfectly timed for Leonard's Guardian column. I predict he will also refer to the first forthcoming standard play encounter with Carlsen * and mention the recent blitz ruckus, along with widespread speculation that Firouzja might be the player who dethrones the Norwegian.

Do I win £10 ?

* Naturally I have not checked this, but surely ...
I had written the article though not yet filed it, and only items 1 and 4 were present. Ever obliging, I have added 2 and 3 to the final version.
I just hope no Indian bookies are reading this. Yesterday was the 20th anniversary of the Hansie Cronje affair.
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.

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Post by Tim Harding » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:24 pm

Daniel Gormally wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:52 pm
Be amazed if there's not a carlsen-firouzja world champs match at some point in the future.
That might depend on whether Magnus Carlsen can regain the title after losing it to Ding Liren this year.
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Re: Tata Steel 10th-28th Jan 2020

Post by Daniel Gormally » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:10 am

ding has to get through the candidates first, not convinced he will

have a sneaky feeling one of the outsiders might win like a nepo

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