Ray Keene - biography

[Roger de Coverly]

The wiki article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Keene gives a summary of his involvement with chess and other matters with some external references for those who might wish to follow up points of detail.

I think Carl has indicated that more detailed discussion is best left to specialists such as Edward Winter and the Streatham blog. The latter have a long series of posts to be found at
http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.c ... index.html

[Ernie Lazenby]

I have come to the view that perhaps what happened in the past, and as Carl says thats now a no go area on here, should be consigned to history. I am quite sure that the full facts have never been known and maybe it was not all his fault. In life fault is rarely attributable to one person.

Ray Keene does have much to offer chess as he has done for many years and maybe chess ought to embrace anything he wants to offer if its done in a structured, open and accountable way through proper channels supervised by someone with the strength of character to make sure it is. That way we get the best without all the problems apparently that resulted in the past. In fairness I dont think someone should be punished or attacked all his/her life for mistakes made years ago.(and it is a long time ago)

I think its perhaps easily forgotten that Keene has been one of the very best chess players this country has produced.

BTW Please dont bring up anything to do with Sheffield last year. Very few of us if indeed any outside those involved have a clear understanding as to what took place or who said what to whom. The principal character involved in that has gone and its time to move on I think.(maybe for discussion at the AGM)

[Carl Hibbard]

I have come to the view that perhaps what happened in the past, and as Carl says thats now a no go area on here, should be consigned to history. I am quite sure that the full facts have never been known and maybe it was not all his fault. In life fault is rarely attributable to one person.

I felt more that a lot of the issues had already been discussed in some detail both here and elsewhere so repeating them with further mud slinging served little purpose apart from getting this forum into trouble

[Ray Sayers]

This is pretty dull stuff. I'm not sure what purpose it serves raking the past back up here other than to give the usual suspects something to rant about. I won't be surprised to see this thread go south too.

[Carl Hibbard]

This is pretty dull stuff. I'm not sure what purpose it serves raking the past back up here other than to give the usual suspects something to rant about. I won't be surprised to see this thread go south too.

I am considering it

[Roger de Coverly]

I am considering it

The original question was valid for someone new to national chess issues. Who is this Keene guy that bloggers go on about?

[Peter D Williams]

This is pretty dull stuff. I'm not sure what purpose it serves raking the past back up here other than to give the usual suspects something to rant about. I won't be surprised to see this thread go south too.

Plenty of the usual suspects from up North rant a lot to.
Its very interesting to see people take the view that if mistakes or bad behavior happen so long as enough time has gone by one should forget about it and not mention it again.I thought that was just the ECF way?

One bit of good news i am still picking cucumbers from the plants in the greenhouse it been a very good year for them.

[IM Jack Rudd]

[Carl Hibbard]

RDK does not appear to be especially litigious, I don't know that he has sued Kingpin, Private Eye, or indeed Jimmy Wales. But I can understand Carl's desire not to be embroiled in any kind of dispute.

I am not concerned regarding the 'mouthpiece' blog statement