Division One 2018-19

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by MartinCarpenter » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:36 pm

3C's not all home grown for a change either mind - and a very solid looking line up as a result. That's definitely been a dangerous weekend for Manx, passed through nicely.

The bigger question maybe whether they're going to reinforce even further when it gets really serious. The theoretical ability is there.

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by David Robertson » Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:59 pm

Game of the weekend in Div 1? A big shout out for...

Laura Stoeri v. Syringa Camp

Laura is the highly-rated Swiss player. Syringa's main role (chess-wise anyway) is to drive Imogen, her talented daughter, to chess matches. Yet, this weekend, Syringa found herself pitched into Div 1 for Blackthorne Russia. Syringa is no mug at the game. We played a league match before Christmas, and I didn't have it all my own way. Nevertheless, I doubt she was expecting too much from the weekend, at least personally.

Then, Sunday morning, we get this little gem (scroll to last game)

Well done, Scamp! Never let a gap of 450 Elo points intimidate you. :D

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:13 pm

Here's the whole game. You cannot help feeling that White got absolutely nothing from the opening and didn't even manage to create a middle game where it was easy for Black to go wrong. So Black had the Bishop pair and more space.


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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:51 pm

So, if there is anyone else following first division 4NCL but not actually present - and the domestic media coverage would suggest probably not - they would know that this is the day when Manx Liberty's title credentials are really tested, by Cheddleton. Or, if you prefer, number two seed against number three seed, each currently on 100%, fighting to determine which of them Guildford 1 should be more concerned about (Guildford 2 has already played both of them I might add).

For the competition, ideally it would be a fighting draw. And the closeness of the ratings gives cause for hope.

In case you are wondering, not a single Manx player is British.

Meanwhile Guildford 1 still have the strongest team of all. Adams is not playing this one but McShane is now appearing for them and, like Adams himself, this is his first 4NCL appearance since he played for Wood Green in May 2014. This means that of our undoubted top six players, only one has no current affiliation, though his last one was with Guildford (Short); and only one other plays for a team other than Guildford (Howell, on board two for Cheddleton today, behind Nils Grandelius).

Maybe Richard Bates was right a while ago - Guildford are doing a passable impression of stocking up on top resident GMs as an insurance against the effects of Brexit on the final weekend!

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by David Robertson » Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:31 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:51 pm
So, if there is anyone else following first division 4NCL but not actually present
Yes, I am - as well as the rugby, cricket and football. Keaton Jennings ( :roll: ) 'out' twice in one over, and now out properly (for 8 )

I wonder what caused two Oxford defaults v. WR1

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:11 pm

Well... at least we didn't get the lowest score of the day.

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Post by Mick Norris » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:26 pm

David Robertson wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:31 pm
Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:51 pm
So, if there is anyone else following first division 4NCL but not actually present
Yes, I am - as well as the rugby, cricket and football. Keaton Jennings ( :roll: ) 'out' twice in one over, and now out properly (for 8 )
Keaton trying to ensure his availability for Lancs this summer :lol:
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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by bvdahl » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:01 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:51 pm

In case you are wondering, not a single Manx player is British.
No, but we are three team-members, including the captain, who have been living on the Isle of Man for a combined thirty years.

Not sure what the purpose of your statement is, to be honest. Are any rules broken?

Cheers,
Baard

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:23 am

No rules broken and I and my team have always welcomed the opportunity to play strong GMs in the League, wherever they come from.

But if you think that people aren't looking at your team lists and making the same observation, then think again! And I should imagine that many are also saying to themselves "ok, in football as well, the winners of national leagues often consist of basically all foreign players, but can we think of any other country where this would happen in chess?" Sorry but it is an obvious talking point.

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:41 am

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:23 am
but can we think of any other country where this would happen in chess?"
Many European leagues surely, the German league in particular. It's only during the European team that players have to declare a unique national identity for team purposes. Football players aren't allowed to flip from one league to several others and back again in the course of a season.

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by Leonard Barden » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:07 am

A report on the 2018 Bundesliga first place play-off where Baden-Baden defeated Solingen in a star-studded match:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/star-st ... bundesliga

from which note this sentence:

You might have noticed that the German league doesn't have restrictions related to the nationalities of players—this playoff did not include a single German player!

The case rests.....

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:28 am

ok but who is going to look up France?

Incidentally i am only saying this is an obvious talking point, also because this is the first such team in "our" mational league.

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:34 am

Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:28 am
ok but who is going to look up France?
The Monaco team had no French players in it in Round 11. :twisted: https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tourn ... teams-2018

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by David Sedgwick » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:27 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:34 am
Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:28 am
ok but who is going to look up France?
The Monaco team had no French players in it in Round 11. :twisted: https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tourn ... teams-2018
True, but that is rather like saying that a Celtic Tigers team contained no English players. Six of the eight players were qualified to represent Monaco internationally.

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Re: Division One 2018-19

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:39 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:27 pm
Alex Holowczak wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:34 am
Jonathan Rogers wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:28 am
ok but who is going to look up France?
The Monaco team had no French players in it in Round 11. :twisted: https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-tourn ... teams-2018
True, but that is rather like saying that a Celtic Tigers team contained no English players. Six of the eight players were qualified to represent Monaco internationally.
I think Jonathan's point was that a team in the French League didn't have French players. Monaco doesn't.

The Manx Liberty team have lots of players who would be eligible to play for the Isle of Man, if they were able to field teams internationally.

I realise one is a sovereign country and one isn't, but on a level it's a very similar case.

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