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4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2026 10:38 am
by John Upham
Do we know if 4NCL have a policy of not publishing pairings / results on chess results dot com?
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2026 11:08 am
by LawrenceCooper
John Upham wrote: ↑Sun Jan 18, 2026 10:38 am
Do we know if 4NCL have a policy of not publishing pairings / results on chess results dot com?
The official link for pairings & results is
https://www.4ncl.co.uk/data/2526/pairin ... _2526.html I think that results do get added to chess-results but I'm not sure how long after this is. The note on chess-results seems clear enough: "This is NOT the official publication of pairings.
For the official publication, please head to the 4NCL website:
https://www.4ncl.co.uk/"
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2026 1:00 pm
by Roger de Coverly
John Upham wrote: ↑Sun Jan 18, 2026 10:38 am
Do we know if 4NCL have a policy of not publishing pairings / results on chess results dot com?
I don't ever recall seeing 4NCL league results there. Publishing results on its own website is long standing and they are updated during play.
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2026 3:48 pm
by Nick Burrows
Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Jan 20, 2026 1:00 pm
I don't ever recall seeing 4NCL league results there. Publishing results on its own website is long standing and they are updated during play.
Last seasons are there:
https://s3.chess-results.com/tnr1065669 ... 1&SNode=S0
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2026 3:54 pm
by LawrenceCooper
If updated during every weekend it would be helpful for checking norm calculations without having to manually compile all the data myself from the 4NCL website.
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2026 5:22 pm
by John Upham
I'm guessing that we are concluding that there is a policy NOT to publish 4NCL pairings and results on chess results dot com.
Fair enough.
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2026 11:07 am
by John Upham
Mike T has kindly investigated this matter on my behalf and he was able to illicit a response from Alex H as follows:
Mike,
The 4NCL has a significant number of rules that Swiss-Manager can't handle. For example:
- Players can play for more than one team in a squad
- Minority rules
- 100-point rule between different teams in the same squad
If Swiss-Manager can't handle it, we can't run the tournament on Swiss-Manager, and thus we don't. Thus it doesn't appear on Chess-Results.
Regards,
Alex
So now we know. Thanks Mike and Alex.
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:05 pm
by Alex McFarlane
John Upham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 11:07 am
he was able to illicit a response from Alex M
Alex H surely.
My lawyers will be in touch!!
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:11 pm
by Roger de Coverly
Alex H (John Upham) wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 11:07 am
If Swiss-Manager can't handle it, we can't run the tournament on Swiss-Manager, and thus we don't. Thus it doesn't appear on Chess-Results.
Doesn't chess-results have a "dumb" mode where you just feed it results without allowing it to attempt pairings? That's duplication of effort if there's already a satisfactory reporting solution.
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:42 pm
by John Upham
Alex McFarlane wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:05 pm
John Upham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 11:07 am
he was able to illicit a response from Alex M
Alex H surely.
My lawyers will be in touch!!
Apologies, yes, Alex H.. I anticipate a $10 Billion suit to follow.
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:43 pm
by John Upham
Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:11 pm
Alex H (John Upham) wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 11:07 am
If Swiss-Manager can't handle it, we can't run the tournament on Swiss-Manager, and thus we don't. Thus it doesn't appear on Chess-Results.
Doesn't chess-results have a "dumb" mode where you just feed it results without allowing it to attempt pairings? That's duplication of effort if there's already a satisfactory reporting solution.
Chess results is not capable of doing pairings. At least it wasn't last time I checked. Tell us more Roger!
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2026 2:10 pm
by Roger de Coverly
John Upham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:43 pm
Chess results is not capable of doing pairings. At least it wasn't last time I checked. Tell us more Roger!
As I saw it, Alex H was regarding chess-results and Swiss Manager as a combined package. He didn't want to use chess-results when Swiss Manager couldn't do pairings.
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2026 3:09 pm
by Matt Mackenzie
John Upham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:42 pm
Alex McFarlane wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:05 pm
John Upham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 11:07 am
he was able to illicit a response from Alex M
Alex H surely.
My lawyers will be in touch!!
Apologies, yes, Alex H.. I anticipate a $10 Billion suit to follow.
Who do you think he is - Donald Trump?
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2026 4:56 pm
by John Upham
Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 2:10 pm
John Upham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 1:43 pm
Chess results is not capable of doing pairings. At least it wasn't last time I checked. Tell us more Roger!
As I saw it, Alex H was regarding chess-results and Swiss Manager as a combined package. He didn't want to use chess-results when Swiss Manager couldn't do pairings.
They may be used in combination: that is an option
One may feed results and pairings into chess results via other applications should one so wish.
Apparently "One can manually input results through an online interface for smaller events using a provided Database Key and SID."
SID has nothing to do with British Gas shares or being the Space Intruder Detector on the UFO 1970 TV series
Re: 4NCL and Chess Results dot com
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2026 1:32 pm
by Alex Holowczak
OK, so to clear this up...
Swiss-Manager is perfectly capable of doing the pairings. In fact, we use it to do the team pairings in the Swiss in Division 4. It is also capable of doing it in the other divisions, except the 4NCL uses customised pairings for Divisions 1-3, in order to guarantee 1 white and 1 black in each of the first weekends. The customisation goes further. Teams in each division are divided into top and bottom half based on last year's standings, and for three of the first four weekends, teams will play one top half and one bottom half opponent. The final weekend will have two matches against teams in the same half, and one match against teams in the other half. This needs to be done manually. There's no reason why this couldn't be plugged into Swiss-Manager manually though.
As has been noticed, some of the 4NCL is put on Chess-Results, but this is done entirely manually, in order for the games to be broadcast more easily on Chess.com. Lichess is far more flexible in this sense - it doesn't need that.
The reason the league cannot be run on Chess-Results/Swiss-Manager is that the rules of the league are not programmed into it.
If $10 billion is coming my way, I am sure I can put it to good use.