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Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:43 am
by NickFaulks
Chris Rice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:06 am
comments were made that it is unbelievable that this is still happening.
I have a bit more sympathy than that. It is not obvious whether a phone is off or just playing dead.
During a recent league game I was suddenly struck by the thought that I could not remember turning off my own phone, which was in my coat pocket on the back of my chair. I asked my opponent, on my move, whether he would mind if I checked. Of course he didn't, it was on, I turned it off with no harm done. Is there any way I could have handled that at Hastings?
Another question. If I put my phone in a supplied bag and leave it at the arbiters' desk, then it goes off, am I in breach of the AC regulations? I feel that would be unfair, although I should certainly suffer some penalty for disturbing the tournament. To me, if your phone actually goes off in the playing hall, that is an indication that you are either not a cheat or a very poorly organised one.
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:52 am
by IM Jack Rudd
We just had a player fall asleep in the tournament hall. His first response, on being woken up by the arbiter, was to ask whether the arbiter was allowed to do that.
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:06 pm
by David Sedgwick
David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:18 pm
John Upham wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:12 pm
Anyone know what happened on board 45, Zheng - Patrick ?
Black's position is a bit nasty but that is to be expected after 4...Lc5 I suppose.
Something went wrong with the transmission. White won, but in considerably more than 8 moves.
Chris Rice wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:06 am
That's not what happened. Patrick's mobile went off, not very loudly but clearly audible to those in the immediate vicinity. They guy next to him on an adjacent board said you better switch that off quick before the arbiter comes around. Patrick then fiddled around his bag underneath the table trying to find it. Unsuccessfully as the phone then went very loud as the person ringing decided to leave a voicemail. Alex McF then approached the table to tell Patrick he had lost. Patrick who is Swedish was trying to say something but I couldn't make out what, perhaps he was trying to apologise but in any event he was asked "to take it outside" by one of the players comments were made that it is unbelievable that this is still happening.
During this incident, little Jerry Zheng, who is only 12 I think, never said a word or seemed aware that he could have claimed the game and looked like he would have just played on. Glad justice was done because if Alex hadn't come over I would have had to tell him myself and I was feeling very uneasy about the prospect of grassing someone up, but there you go.
Chris, and Alex, thank you for your comments.
I was shown a scoresheet bearing out my original comments. Perhaps I was looking at the wrong scoresheet.
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:21 pm
by NickFaulks
IM Jack Rudd wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:52 am
We just had a player fall asleep in the tournament hall. His first response, on being woken up by the arbiter, was to ask whether the arbiter was allowed to do that.
What is the answer?
edit : In one Bermuda Open, the wonderful Igor Ivanov, then a candidate for the "strongest IM in the world" title, decided that he needed a nap, so stretched out his substantial frame on the carpet behind his board. We would have been as likely to disturb him as to poke a sleeping grizzly bear with a stick.
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:31 pm
by IM Jack Rudd
NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:21 pm
IM Jack Rudd wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:52 am
We just had a player fall asleep in the tournament hall. His first response, on being woken up by the arbiter, was to ask whether the arbiter was allowed to do that.
What is the answer?
The answer is that yes, he was, because it's the arbiter's duty to seek medical attention if the player turns out to be seriously ill.
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:36 pm
by NickFaulks
See my edit above.
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:42 pm
by Nick Grey
Yes. And ought to penalise the player 2 minutes for being the cause of the disruption.
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:43 pm
by A.Kluckova
During the Open National Championship a few years ago in SVK a Slovakian chess player (who drank at night) fell asleep on the table next his board and woke up after about 45 minutes . His opponent from Sweden stood up and waited until he woke up. It was degrading! I think in this case the arbiter need to have the right to stop the game.
Do we have any alcohol tolerance in Chess? Need to be.
The next example. My older daughter ( when she was 13) plaid the National Rapid Championship with drunken player ( it was long tempo rapid - 60 min.) She came to told me her opponent is drunk. I asked arbiter to change the opponent, he sent me out of the playing venue...for disturb a game.
I think, if there are not rules in chess for this occasion, in this second case l could call the local police, because nobody can not force to play a child with drunken.
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:02 pm
by Kevin Thurlow
"The answer is that yes, he was, because it's the arbiter's duty to seek medical attention if the player turns out to be seriously ill."
True. It reminds me of the guy on a bus who was staring into space so the police were called. They spoke to the passenger who just stared into space, so they tasered him twice, threw him into a van, and headed off for the police station. En route, they searched him and found a nice little bracelet reading, "I am diabetic, if I collapse, please help." Oops.
I think you should be able to complain if the opponent is drunk. That's unpleasant for anybody, not only juniors.
There have been cases at Hastings where one of the players woke the arbiter...
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:18 pm
by A.Kluckova
Thank you. I think so.
l plaid in Blackpool and my game turned bad very shortly. I told to my opponent, my suger level was extremly high before the game and was no time to lower it so shortly. And my opponent who was also an insuline enjections dependent told me that l could asked arbiter to start my game 15 minutes later.
But l think, in this case l have not right for it. It was my mistake that l ate too much. The same like you drink before the game and you ask arbiter to wait when your alcohol level in blood drops.
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:35 pm
by Jonathan Rogers
Anyone here able to follow the action at Hastings today?
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:59 pm
by Jonathan Rogers
Presumably not. We will miss out on seeing Richard getting his customary winning position ...
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:06 pm
by Michael Bennett
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:15 pm
by Jonathan Rogers
Ah! Much appreciated, thanks.
Re: Hastings Congress
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:32 pm
by LawrenceCooper
Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:02 pm
I think you should be able to complain if the opponent is drunk.
Except in Irish weekenders or the Beer & Blitz
