Chess.com's single most valuable asset must be their blackmail list. I'm sure Carlsen made a very good deal in allying himself with them.Paul Heaton wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:34 pmMy *guess* would be Carlsen has seen thIs list of people chess.com have banned.
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Hi Paul,
I do not have a twitter account and try no to go there.
'Reddit' I go there occasionally to nick an idea If I'm stuck a for joke. Nothing more.
He made no comment on anything else critical but he did praise Hans.
And why tell us he will be making a statement at the end of the tournament.
What else is going to say. Here is the proof Hans cheated. There is none.
Not forgetting Father has also popped up. We are witnessing a PR exercise.
Copy and paste that in Reddit and given them these two new book covers.
My next blog is due in 7 days, by then all this will be over, I can't use it.
I do not have a twitter account and try no to go there.
'Reddit' I go there occasionally to nick an idea If I'm stuck a for joke. Nothing more.
He made no comment on anything else critical but he did praise Hans.
And why tell us he will be making a statement at the end of the tournament.
What else is going to say. Here is the proof Hans cheated. There is none.
Not forgetting Father has also popped up. We are witnessing a PR exercise.
Copy and paste that in Reddit and given them these two new book covers.
My next blog is due in 7 days, by then all this will be over, I can't use it.
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There will need to be a considerable amount of 'making up' if so. Including the points loss for the defeat and subsequent impacts on tournament play from that incident.Geoff Chandler wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:28 pmHi Paul,Paul Heaton wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:41 pmPresumably the link being Dlugy was once cut off from a chess.com tournament.
I cannot see an underhand link there. Look how carefully Magnus chose his words.
But that part was smooth, scripted, he's been advised to slip that in so the apology will not
come out the blue. I'm sticking my neck out but that is only way this thing ends with him saying sorry.
Magnus has to wait till the end of the tournament to see how he and Hans does.
If Magnus gets knocked out sooner it will come then. An apology.
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There will need to be a considerable amount of 'making up'
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Hi Stephen,
Not too considerable, remember Magnus said nothing about cheating. He left us a meme.
It will be along the lines of misinformation and rumour and how strongly he feels regarding unfair play.
When Kaja asked him could organisers do more regarding anti-cheating. He said 'yes.'
So expect some suggested improvements indicating he thought his actions would help in this direction.
So you done it for the good of chess?
Yes!
Why did you give up your title?
Next Question
He will have to apologise to Hans for the one move insult, that may stick in his throat but it will have to be done.
Be interesting to see how it's worded. But I can see nothing but an apology.
I suspect Hans will be happy to put all this behind him and be cleared of OTB cheating.
All this reminds kind of reminds me of the Hou Yifan 5 moves incident. These chess geniuses are highly strung.
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Some new insight (at least to me) from Fabiano that Magnus was considering withdrawing from the Sinquefield Cup from the moment that Hans was invited.
Some new insight (at least to me) from Fabiano that Magnus was considering withdrawing from the Sinquefield Cup from the moment that Hans was invited.
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Using an engine solely as a blundercheck would improve play considerably, particularly at lower levels. For instance: I had a single season (2014/15) where I didn't make my customary mistakes in every game and went up to 221 (old grades). A few seasons later I was back down in the 190s. So to have Stockfish – not telling me any actual moves – just saying "don't play that" when required would, I'd anticipate, lead to a 200 (Elo) boost in my rating. I doubt that kind of usage could be detected, unless the absence of blunders is itself an indication.Paul Cooksey wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:16 amthe kind of subtle cheating that improves play by 50 points rather than a 1000 - indicating the comp evaluation at critical moments rather than moves
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The Regan method supposedly uses rating as an input. So there's an implicit statement it makes that "you must be cheating, because you aren't good enough to play those moves", I consider that a flaw in the method as it seems to rule out the concept of improvement.Jon Tait wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:46 amSo to have Stockfish – not telling me any actual moves – just saying "don't play that" when required would, I'd anticipate, lead to a 200 (Elo) boost in my rating. I doubt that kind of usage could be detected, unless the absence of blunders is itself an indication.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but what is the mechanism by which it is telling you this?
Does it though? Is there anything in the method which prevents the investigator from observing improvement over time?Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:30 amThe Regan method supposedly uses rating as an input. So there's an implicit statement it makes that "you must be cheating, because you aren't good enough to play those moves", I consider that a flaw in the method as it seems to rule out the concept of improvement.
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
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"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
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Rather than not good enough to play those moves, it would be more a case of not good enough not to make those mistakes. Is that the same thing?Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:30 amThe Regan method supposedly uses rating as an input. So there's an implicit statement it makes that "you must be cheating, because you aren't good enough to play those moves"
No mechanism. Just an observation from my own results. The only difference between that season and any other season is that I didn't make so many mistakes. Only anecdotal evidence obviously.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:44 amI don't necessarily disagree, but what is the mechanism by which it is telling you this?
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If so, then it is more exculpatory of Hans Niemann, as some of the suspicion comes from his swift rating rise. Like other juniors, he missed at least a year of OTB chess due to COVID, so there's an element of catch-up going on. Lock-down, and the lack of more fun alternatives to chess, would have helped concentrate chess improvement.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:30 amThe Regan method supposedly uses rating as an input. So there's an implicit statement it makes that "you must be cheating, because you aren't good enough to play those moves", I consider that a flaw in the method as it seems to rule out the concept of improvement.Jon Tait wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:46 amSo to have Stockfish – not telling me any actual moves – just saying "don't play that" when required would, I'd anticipate, lead to a 200 (Elo) boost in my rating. I doubt that kind of usage could be detected, unless the absence of blunders is itself an indication.
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I think rating may be one of the inputs, so if you tell the investigating software that the moves were played by a 1500 rated player, it might flag that player as needing investigation. If however you tell it that it's a 2500 rated player it doesn't.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:44 amIs there anything in the method which prevents the investigator from observing improvement over time?
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Fabi views Magnus’s motives as a selfless protest, willingly damaging his own reputation to speak out about an issue he believes is harming the chess community.LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:26 amhttps://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxyJt0uK ... Sx9w52OBwG
Some new insight (at least to me) from Fabiano that Magnus was considering withdrawing from the Sinquefield Cup from the moment that Hans was invited.
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Mmm but there is also human oversight, no?Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:52 amI think rating may be one of the inputs, so if you tell the investigating software that the moves were played by a 1500 rated player, it might flag that player as needing investigation. If however you tell it that it's a 2500 rated player it doesn't.JustinHorton wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:44 amIs there anything in the method which prevents the investigator from observing improvement over time?
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
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"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
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I wasn't aware of this:Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:03 amContinued reporting in the press.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... layer.html
His Wikipedia entry confirms it:In 2019, the French grandmaster Sebastien Feller was given a six-month suspended prison sentence for his part in an elaborate chess fraud, with two accomplices exchanging computer data via phone text messages.
What's the likelihood of something similar happening in England if cheating for monetary gain was reported to the police?On 28 May 2019, the correctional tribunal of Thionville sentenced Feller to a suspended sentence of 6 months in prison because he cheated at the 39th Chess Olympiad. According to the tribunal, his behavior instantiated the crime of "escroquerie", scam.