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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Geoff Chandler » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:35 pm

They will take off his shoes and discover he six webbed toes.

(8) He's an alien.

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Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:40 pm

It looks as if Dlugy and ChessBase have found the method.
http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211 ... 31013.aspx

If you conceal a smart phone in your shoe, you can send and receive moves by vibration. So it's much the same method as the German who had a supposedly switched off phone vibrating in his pocket.

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Post by Sean Hewitt » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:03 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:It looks as if Dlugy and ChessBase have found the method.
http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211 ... 31013.aspx

If you conceal a smart phone in your shoe, you can send and receive moves by vibration. So it's much the same method as the German who had a supposedly switched off phone vibrating in his pocket.
I read this, and was still left wondering how the moves actually get transmitted. There's no offer of an explanation for this, but presumably he is supposed to use his toes. But Dlugy says
I watched him very carefully. When he played this move, 32.Nb7 against Saric, he took ten seconds. It was a five to ten minute thing, in my modest opinion, since the knight could take on f5 instead. But when he decided it in ten seconds I was shocked.
If he took 10 seconds over such a complex move, I'm struggling to comprehend how he could input his opponents last move and get the computer response in such a short space of time. Not forgetting, of course, one of our heroes tournament wins was in a strong rapidplay. I suspect this story still has some more legs!

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Chris Rice » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:25 pm

If you scroll right to the bottom of that article ChessBase do show you how you can wiggle your foot to transmit the moves. Doesn't look an easy thing to do but one assumes Ivanov must have practised a lot beforehand.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Tim Spanton » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:32 pm

This is ChessBase's verdict:

We have done a little research and found that, unfortunately, there is a very low-tech way to cheat in chess: a modern Android or Apple smartphone easily fits into a shoe, and you can use your toes to send signals to the motion detector in the phone. Little wiggles will do it. Or the toe could be used to tap on the LED screen. The response of the phone would be short bursts of vibration. An app could handle the interface to a chess engine running on the device. So it is not really necessary to work out very complicated communication system to explain how a player may be using computer assistance during a chess tournament.

A little early for an April Fools' Day, I would have thought.


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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Sean Hewitt » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:35 pm

Tim Spanton wrote:This is ChessBase's verdict:

We have done a little research and found that, unfortunately, there is a very low-tech way to cheat in chess: a modern Android or Apple smartphone easily fits into a shoe, and you can use your toes to send signals to the motion detector in the phone. Little wiggles will do it. Or the toe could be used to tap on the LED screen. The response of the phone would be short bursts of vibration. An app could handle the interface to a chess engine running on the device. So it is not really necessary to work out very complicated communication system to explain how a player may be using computer assistance during a chess tournament.

A little early for an April Fools' Day, I would have thought.
Exactly. I'll believe that when they can demonstrate it working effectively in a rapidplay!

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:49 pm

Isn't it suggested there was something in his jacket as well as his shoe?

I get more confused the more I read about this
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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Tim Spanton » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:00 pm

I certainly hope making chess players expose their socks does not become the norm.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by John McKenna » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:39 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:He's a twin.

The 'doctored' twin plays in the even numbered rounds.

I'm staring at the final position just copied from the game Borislav lost.


(Borislav, Black to play, Black resigned.)

After 51...a2 there appears (to me anyway) some chess left in that game.
I can get the White pawn to c7 but cannot the Black Knight just dance
around it when the White King approaches.

The Bishop is tied to a1.

(Edit: In a later post -)

They will take off his shoes and discover six webbed toes.

(8) He's an alien.
Ivanov is obviously from the same planet as Ivanchuk -

Caruana–Ivanchuk 1–0 C11FIDE GP Paris(6)Elancourt FRA 28.09.2013

(Time control: 120 minutes for the first 40 moves, 60 minutes for the next 20 moves, and then each player gets 15 minutes and an increment of 30 seconds per move after the second time control). No draws offers: Sofia rules.)

Clearly the game of the round... The Italian simplified into a superior bishop endgame that seemed to hold many dangers for Black and Ivanchuk... well... he resigned!
Probably out of all the players in this tournament Ivanchuk would be the only one to resign in such a position. He was surely worse, but he wasn't down material yet, he wasn't in a zugzwang and White's path to victory first of all wasn't obvious and second could still be botched up... [Ramirez Alvarez,Alejandro]

Go compare!

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Chris Rice » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:11 am

I'm finding it hard to understand why this saga is not over but it clearly isn't. Ivanov was given the green light by the organisers to carry on and changed his shoes for round 8. He was Black on Board 12 against FM Kralevski and won a highly interesting game with what looks like superb technique. http://chess-results.com/partieSuche.as ... 08160&rd=8 He is playing a 2100+ player in round 9.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:10 am

"I certainly hope making chess players expose their socks does not become the norm."

It wouldn't have worked with JC Thompson.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Ken Norman » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:39 am

Kevin Thurlow wrote:"I certainly hope making chess players expose their socks does not become the norm."

It wouldn't have worked with JC Thompson.

Kevin

Nobody under sixty will understand your reference to J.C.THOMPSON.

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:09 pm

Ken Norman wrote: Nobody under sixty will understand your reference to J.C.THOMPSON.
Here's the cross reference, starting from one of Jack's games.

http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=553

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:19 pm

Dlugy's theory about the "resigned in a drawn position" game is Ivanov deliberately chucked it in the hope he would recieve less scrutiny on the lower boards......
"Set up your attacks so that when the fire is out, it isn't out!" (H N Pillsbury)

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Re: Chess Player Strip Searched

Post by JustinHadi » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:37 pm

Ken Norman wrote:
Kevin Thurlow wrote:"I certainly hope making chess players expose their socks does not become the norm."

It wouldn't have worked with JC Thompson.

Kevin

Nobody under sixty will understand your reference to J.C.THOMPSON.
Andrew Martin's book on the hippo is another reference.

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