Most moves before any pieces moved?

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Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by John Upham » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:21 pm

Today's game between Hanley and Surtees saw Black make his first piece move with 9..Ta7.

Is the largest number of moves by one / both sides without moving a piece a matter of record? :?:
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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by James Coleman » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:39 pm

Not sure but wouldn't imagine the Surtees game even comes close. Eg.Tsaboshvili-Williams from Bunratty this year saw Black make his first twelve moves with pawns only, after which he had a won position.

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:48 pm

Hi

It might be a record as the the first piece to move is a Rook - usually in
90% of the games it's Knight and The Rook is the last to move.

James any chance of you posting the game you mentioned?

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by James Coleman » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:53 pm

Yes sure :

[Event "Bunratty Masters op"]
[Site "Bunratty"]
[Date "2009.02.22"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Tsaboshvili, Lasha"]
[Black "Williams, Simon Kim"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A40"]
[WhiteElo "2014"]
[BlackElo "2507"]
[PlyCount "54"]
[EventDate "2009.02.20"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "6"]
[EventCountry "IRL"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2009.02.26"]

1. d4 h6 2. Nf3 g5 3. e4 a6 4. h4 g4 5. Ne5 h5 6. Bc4 e6 7. Nc3 b5 8. Bb3 d6 9.
Nd3 c5 10. dxc5 dxc5 11. a4 c4 12. axb5 cxb3 13. cxb3 Nd7 14. g3 Nc5 15. Nxc5
Qxd1+ 16. Kxd1 Bxc5 17. Ke2 Bb7 18. Rd1 Nf6 19. Ra4 axb5 20. Nxb5 O-O 21. Be3
Nxe4 22. Rxe4 Bxe4 23. Bxc5 Bf3+ 24. Ke1 Rfc8 25. Rc1 Ra5 26. b4 Rxb5 27. Kd2
Ra8 0-1

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:02 pm

Cheers - can use this game and Mike's ame together for a wee sketch
on The Corner.

By the way had my first bash at analysing a game on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlbhxWeAYfc

Don't think I'll be doing another.

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by James Coleman » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:08 pm

Just watched it - good stuff, very entertaining :)

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:30 pm

Thanks but it's all nonsense - should of had another take.

Why did that bloke, the opening poster, use a 'T' instead of an 'R' for a Rook?

Are Rooks called Trooks in certain parts of England?

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by James Coleman » Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:47 pm

He uses German notation. I think rook is Teufel is German

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:15 pm

Hmmm..... How do we know it's German?

The French, The Spanish and the Italians also use a 'T' to signify a Rook.

See the confusion this has caused.

I'm not sleeping tonight until I found out what language the opening poster
was using and why did he feel the need to post in a foreign language.

Our chess books would soon be in a pretty mess if we wrote words in
one language and the move notation in another 'undisclosed' language.

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Rob Thompson » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:57 pm

Or it may simply have been a typo. T is next to R, after all
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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Paul McKeown » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:17 pm

I've sent a query to Tim Krabbé, care of his website, Tim Krabbé's website. If anyone knows, he will.

btw. "Teufel" means devil. The German word for rook is "Tor", literally meaning tower.

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:22 pm

Rob Thompson wrote:Or it may simply have been a typo. T is next to R, after all
Yes but is the 'T' next to the 'R' on a German keyboard?

I think we need to get Teddy Winter in on this one to sort it out.

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Richard James » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:26 pm

Paul McKeown wrote:I've sent a query to Tim Krabbé, care of his website, Tim Krabbé's website. If anyone knows, he will.

btw. "Teufel" means devil. The German word for rook is "Tor", literally meaning tower.
The German word for rook is "Turm", meaning tower. Likewise, Tour in French, Torre in Spanish and Italian.

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Paul McKeown » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:31 pm

Sorry Richard - home from the curry house - in a hilarious condition. "Toren" is, of course, Dutch; as you say "Turm" is the German for rook. And of course "Teufel" is still devil, as in "zum Teufel", meaning "go to the devil". Meaning go to bed, Paul!

Ah the evils of CH3CH2OH....

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Re: Most moves before any pieces moved?

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:40 pm

Quote: "CH3CH2OH"

Another one - now you are using a secret chess notation.

I'm alerting the forum moderator, this has gotten out of hand.

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