The British itself!

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Nick Ivell
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Re: The British itself!

Post by Nick Ivell » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:27 am

I was present at the British in 1976, when Mestel ran away with it. Seeing Hawkins' play in the first week, I was reminded of Mestel's great performance. How do the two compare? Mestel, in my view, had the greater tactical acumen - more 'talent', if you like; but Hawkins is certainly the better prepared. Thinking about it a lot of us were quite lazy in 1976, taking 'each game as it comes' in the manner of footballers; not an option in the computer age.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Ian Kingston » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:41 am

Pert-Hawkins is following this game:


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Re: The British itself!

Post by Nick Ivell » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:48 am

A queen retreat! Such moves are hard to spot. White places his faith in the virtues of good development. With the two bishops and castling rights, Pert must have enough for the pawn.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:51 am

Nick Ivell wrote:Hawkins ... deserves to win outright.
Maybe, but since when was 'deserves' a relevant concept for chess results?

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:54 am

I think we will be arguing soon - again - whether hawkins is quite a pawn up "for nothing"

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Nick Ivell » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:59 am

I recall the debate, in which I took no part. For what it's worth, I never thought Howell had 'nothing' for his pawn against Hawkins. Liking the Hawkins style though, accepting this type of position.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:07 am

Nick Ivell wrote:I recall the debate, in which I took no part. For what it's worth, I never thought Howell had 'nothing' for his pawn against Hawkins. Liking the Hawkins style though, accepting this type of position.
Generous to call it a "debate"; I think I was the only proponent of other side and was probably just wrong! This does look like "for nothing" though, and I would be surprised if Pert has not punted the draw offer now "before it becomes too easy"

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Matthew Turner » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:13 am

looks like Pert - Arkell is heading for a tame draw

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Nick Burrows » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:17 am

Stockfish says Hawkins lack of king safety is still more important than the extra pawn and hasn't quite equalised.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Matthew Turner » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:20 am

I tend to agree, White should be perfectly OK here.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Nick Ivell » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:25 am

When did we become so materialistic? I know chess is very concrete these days, but Hawkins has two knights on the rim!

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:26 am

Well I know I know nothng but am still very surprised... I mean doesn't one need open lines, or the chance to create open lines, in order to attack?

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Nick Ivell » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:31 am

I am just giving an impression, without computer help. My guess is Carlsen would win with either colour.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Matthew Turner » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:42 am

It is difficult for both sides to take their position forward. Hawkins is remarkably good in this type of position, but there is a lot of pressure on both players and in those circumstances it might be more difficult for Black to keep control/prevent things opening up.

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Re: The British itself!

Post by Jonathan Bryant » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:42 am

Matthew Turner wrote:looks like Pert - Arkell is heading for a tame draw

I don’t know. Could be a case of immovable object of Nick "Killer Endgames DVD" Pert versus the irresistible force of Keith 'Grinder Supreme' Arkell.

Wasn’t it Nick Pert whose last round game went on forever last year (or perhaps the year before)? A rather different position I grant you.

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