2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

The very latest International round up of English news.
Ian Thompson
Posts: 4254
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:31 pm
Location: Awbridge, Hampshire

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:12 pm

Jonathan Bryant wrote:There’s an extraordinary report on chess.com

https://www.chess.com/news/anand-beats- ... paign=news


While Agon threatening some chess website owners with 10 years imprisonment, ...
As the moves are freely available on the NRK site, legitimately, it's difficult to see how Agon could prove that someone was using their site as their source of the moves, not the NRK one.

It's also difficult to see how Agon could claim to have suffered any loss even if they could prove that someone had taken moves from their website when exactly the same information is legitimately freely available elsewhere.

Roger de Coverly
Posts: 22607
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:51 pm

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:15 pm

Angus French wrote: "Agon announcing legal action
It remains to be seen what grounds. The site nrk.no is displaying the games and doesn't impose conditions of use. It's not logically different from watching cricket on Sky Sports and posting up the score at the end of each over.

I think FIDE should terminate Agon's contract at the earliest possible opportunity. Threats to the those who would broadcast and discuss chess while it happens and impediments to the attraction of live audiences have no part in the promotion of chess.

Alex Holowczak
Posts: 9308
Joined: Sat May 30, 2009 5:18 pm
Location: Oldbury, Worcestershire
Contact:

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:32 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:I think FIDE should terminate Agon's contract at the earliest possible opportunity. Threats to the those who would broadcast and discuss chess while it happens and impediments to the attraction of live audiences have no part in the promotion of chess.
Indeed, the BCCI tried to stop sites like Cricinfo doing exactly that (in addition to a commentary of what happened), and insisting that they delayed the transmission. It didn't seem to get anywhere though, for reasons that I can't find on Google.

NickFaulks
Posts: 9255
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:32 pm

Yermo is critical of TWIC ( prop M Pein? ) for being too frightened to show the moves.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a QR code stamped on a human face — forever.

User avatar
JustinHorton
Posts: 10474
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:06 am
Location: Somewhere you're not

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:35 pm

Is Chessbomb frozen? It seems to be showing the same positions on my smartphone that I could see on my laptop more than half an hour ago.
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

Mick Norris
Posts: 11368
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:12 am
Location: Bolton, Greater Manchester

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:38 pm

NickFaulks wrote:Yermo is critical of TWIC ( prop M Pein? ) for being too frightened to show the moves.
TWIC is Mark Crowther who sensibly decided not to make a Yorkshire lawyer rich

Has Yermo paid anything to use TWIC over the years?
Any postings on here represent my personal views

Jonathan Rogers
Posts: 5105
Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:26 pm

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:40 pm

JustinHorton wrote:Is Chessbomb frozen? It seems to be showing the same positions on my smartphone that I could see on my laptop more than half an hour ago.
Same problem here. If this continues, I might as well take my son to see Kung Fu Panda 3.

Ian Thompson
Posts: 4254
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:31 pm
Location: Awbridge, Hampshire

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:44 pm

JustinHorton wrote:Is Chessbomb frozen? It seems to be showing the same positions on my smartphone that I could see on my laptop more than half an hour ago.
The same thing's happened on the NRK site (at the same positions).

User avatar
JustinHorton
Posts: 10474
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:06 am
Location: Somewhere you're not

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:47 pm

Jonathan Rogers wrote:Same problem here. If this continues, I might as well take my son to see Kung Fu Panda 3.
Don't tell us any of the Kung Fu moves.
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

User avatar
JustinHorton
Posts: 10474
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:06 am
Location: Somewhere you're not

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:47 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
JustinHorton wrote:Is Chessbomb frozen? It seems to be showing the same positions on my smartphone that I could see on my laptop more than half an hour ago.
The same thing's happened on the NRK site (at the same positions).
How curious.
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

Richard Bates
Posts: 3466
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:27 pm

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Richard Bates » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:47 pm

Not much of a legal expert, but if Agon have secured a court injunction against broadcasting then I imagine that the other sites will have no choice but to comply, pending the legality of the ban being tested in court.

NickFaulks
Posts: 9255
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:48 pm

Mick Norris wrote: TWIC is Mark Crowther
If Mark no longer has support from Chess & Bridge ( I wasn't sure about that ) then I accept that his reluctance is reasonable.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a QR code stamped on a human face — forever.

User avatar
JustinHorton
Posts: 10474
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:06 am
Location: Somewhere you're not

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:48 pm

Chess24 also stopped I think
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

User avatar
JustinHorton
Posts: 10474
Joined: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:06 am
Location: Somewhere you're not

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:50 pm

Richard Bates wrote:Not much of a legal expert, but if Agon have secured a court injunction against broadcasting
But from whom? In what jurisdiction?
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

NickFaulks
Posts: 9255
Joined: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:51 pm

Richard Bates wrote:Not much of a legal expert, but if Agon have secured a court injunction against broadcasting then I imagine that the other sites will have no choice but to comply, pending the legality of the ban being tested in court.
Surely it depends upon the jurisdiction of the injunction. We don't know that - in fact, we don't know much.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a QR code stamped on a human face — forever.

Post Reply