2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:17 pm

Topalov-Caruana looks interesting, at least until someone tells me it's probably known theory ending in a draw :oops:

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Post by Matthew Turner » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:33 pm

Looks fantastically interesting - computer assessment jumping around all over the place.

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Post by JustinHorton » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:38 pm

My program is quite fond of 10...Rb8, but both players were playing quickly until the capture on g4, so they must have a different opinion.
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Post by Roger de Coverly » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:52 pm

Matthew Turner wrote:Looks fantastically interesting - computer assessment jumping around all over the place.
The position at move 12 appears to have been reached by Matlakov and Grishuk in the 2014 World Blitz, Grishuk preferring 12. .. g5. You might assume then, that neither player stumbled into this variation. With a much earlier deviation, this line of the English also appeared in the 1989 Speelman-Timman Candidates match.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Chris Rice » Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:37 pm

Liking Giri's position. Is this the day he breaks his run?

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Post by AustinElliott » Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:37 pm

One rather pleasing aspect of this iteration of the Candidates is that the games are getting wilder and more interesting as the rounds pass by. Excellent entertainment today, a mad opening in Topalov-Caruana, an IQP with K-side attack in Aronian-Svidler, and even the inevitable anti-Berlin looks a bit less sterile than some. And can I put in another thumbs-up for a tournament without any examples of the like-watching-paint-dry-but-less-interesting Berlin Endgame?

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:50 pm

JustinHorton wrote:(Re: last comment, I guess it would be more complicated if any tie between them was also with a third party or more. But just between the two of them, that's right, isn't it?)
If Caruana is only a point clear before round 14, then in a 2 way tie, a win for Karjakin wins the event

For Caruana to get 1.5 points clear, he either needs 3 wins, or for Karjakin to lose a game (which hasn't looked likely, given how well he has defended poor positions)

I guess Caruana has 2 openings prepared for round 14, one a go for it if he needs to win, the other a shut it down if he needs to draw

Lots of chess to be played before then though (I expect Svidler will actually beat someone at some point, Giri too)
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:03 pm

What I'm thinking about Karjakib/Caruana is less that Caruana might need a last round win and more that Karjakin doesn't need to panic if he falls a bit behind.

I think Caruana might win today. The position's unorthodox rather than wild and if Topalov is keen to win I think he'll have to take risks that Caruana can cope with.
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:03 pm

AustinElliott wrote:And can I put in another thumbs-up for a tournament without any examples of the like-watching-paint-dry-but-less-interesting Berlin Endgame?
Heresy! :lol:
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:19 pm

Key moment, Topalov appears to have a forced draw if he wants it
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Post by Jonathan Bryant » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:21 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
AustinElliott wrote:And can I put in another thumbs-up for a tournament without any examples of the like-watching-paint-dry-but-less-interesting Berlin Endgame?
Heresy! :lol:
Gustafson said on chess24 the other day that the Berlin ending wasn’t boring but it was tremendously difficult to explain. You can see why. The usual 'rules’ - development, rooks to the a central open file, the value of the bishop pair for example - simply don’t apply.

In my experience people who say Berlin games are boring don’t understand what they’re seeing. Which is a very good reason to be bored indeed.

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Post by NickFaulks » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:24 pm

JustinHorton wrote:Key moment, Topalov appears to have a forced draw if he wants it
He won't take it.
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Post by NickFaulks » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:27 pm

I was right, but what's he doing after ...Bxb5?
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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by MJMcCready » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:28 pm

Naka slowly getting into trouble.

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Re: 2016 Candidates Moscow 10-29 March

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:40 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
JustinHorton wrote:Key moment, Topalov appears to have a forced draw if he wants it
He won't take it.
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