New Idea for Caro-Kann players
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
I mean, if you want to convince me that 7...e5 is playable based on that game, there's the small matter that Shankland flattened it...
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
Chris, I'm really not that bothered whether you are convinced or not. We will see whether more strong players (much stronger than you and me) play the idea.
I know I suggested it as an idea for club players and mainly for surprise value and you picked up on these points and I understand where you are coming from but maybe it will go further than that. I doubt that Liang played the best line against Shankland but we shall see shortly perhaps.
I know I suggested it as an idea for club players and mainly for surprise value and you picked up on these points and I understand where you are coming from but maybe it will go further than that. I doubt that Liang played the best line against Shankland but we shall see shortly perhaps.
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
It surprised Seirawan certainly. As it goes against conventional wisdom, quite likely there will be players who haven't been following the US Championships who don't know about it. That said, you have to know a little bit of Caro theory to get to the start position. Someone not confident in their knowledge might not play Qb3.
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
After:
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bd3 Nc6 5. c3 Nf6 6. Bf4 Bg4 7. Qb3 e5 8. h3
Na5 9. Qc2 exf4 10. hxg4 Nxg4 11. Kf1 h5
Stockfish offers white no advantage whatsoever.
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bd3 Nc6 5. c3 Nf6 6. Bf4 Bg4 7. Qb3 e5 8. h3
Na5 9. Qc2 exf4 10. hxg4 Nxg4 11. Kf1 h5
Stockfish offers white no advantage whatsoever.
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
It's worth pointing out that the position before 7...e5 can also arise via a London move order. In 2016, I played the Black side of a game starting: 1.d4, d5; 2.Bf4, Nf6; 3.e3, c5; 4.c3, cxd4; 5. exd4, Nc6; 6.Bd3, Bg4; 7.Qb3. I have to confess the idea of 7...e5 didn't occur to me at the time! My opponent was aware we'd transposed to a line of the Caro-Kann and mentioned this to me after the game.
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
John Moore wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:18 pmWe will see whether more strong players (much stronger than you and me) play the idea.
So is there any point us patzers discussing opening theory, or not? Or only when we agree with you?John Moore wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:18 pmI doubt that Liang played the best line against Shankland
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
Because he was the better player, rather than any fundamental defect in that particular line?Chris Goodall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:02 pmI mean, if you want to convince me that 7...e5 is playable based on that game, there's the small matter that Shankland flattened it...
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
What would it have looked like if Shankland had beaten Liang because of a fundamental defect in that particular line? It looks to me like the weakness of b7 and d5, the blocked bishop on f8 and the open h-file all forced Liang into castling queenside, and then Shankland attacked on the queenside and wherever Black's activity was, it wasn't in the vicinity of White's king.Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:03 pmBecause he was the better player, rather than any fundamental defect in that particular line?Chris Goodall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:02 pmI mean, if you want to convince me that 7...e5 is playable based on that game, there's the small matter that Shankland flattened it...
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
After:
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bd3 Nc6 5. c3
what is the current thinking about Qc7, which prevents Bf4.
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bd3 Nc6 5. c3
what is the current thinking about Qc7, which prevents Bf4.
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
Shankland (and others) consider Na5 to be forced after h3 and exf4 to be bad.Chris Goodall wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 12:16 amWhat would it have looked like if Shankland had beaten Liang because of a fundamental defect in that particular line? It looks to me like the weakness of b7 and d5, the blocked bishop on f8 and the open h-file all forced Liang into castling queenside, and then Shankland attacked on the queenside and wherever Black's activity was, it wasn't in the vicinity of White's king.Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:03 pmBecause he was the better player, rather than any fundamental defect in that particular line?Chris Goodall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:02 pmI mean, if you want to convince me that 7...e5 is playable based on that game, there's the small matter that Shankland flattened it...
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
Against the Caro-Kann, originally I used to play the advanced variation which just played into my opponent's hands.
I then tried the exchange variation, which didn't work well either.
I then tried the King's Indian Attack, which initially was successful but recently has been more mixed.
I am now looking at playing the Fantasy Variation.
I then tried the exchange variation, which didn't work well either.
I then tried the King's Indian Attack, which initially was successful but recently has been more mixed.
I am now looking at playing the Fantasy Variation.
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
That is fine if they go for a challenging line. The trouble is that they tend to curl up in a ball with 3...e6.
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Re: New Idea for Caro-Kann players
It also threatens the idea 4. ..dxe4 5. fxe4 Qh4+, so White may have to treat the position in a manner similar to the Blackmar-Diemer by not recapturing on e4.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:38 pmThe trouble is that they tend to curl up in a ball with 3...e6.
4. Nc3 Bb4 appears to be the main line in terms of popularity.
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5.Bf4 6.O-O-O and an interesting game.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:17 pm4. Nc3 Bb4 appears to be the main line in terms of popularity.