Cheating in chess

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Mark Ashley
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Mark Ashley » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:06 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:15 pm
Mark Ashley wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:55 pm
I've just read that Igor Rausis has been caught red handed with a phone. I thought he had just been mopping up much weaker players in tournaments, but i guess that may have just helped him cover up how he was doing it as people would expect a stronger player to outplay lower graded players.

Is this the first case of a player being caught cheating against lower graded opponents? A lot of the stories i see involving cheats often involve lower graded players outplaying higher graded ones.

https://chess24.com/en/read/news/gm-igo ... t-cheating
See viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10300&start=45 for discussion of this.
Thanks David, i knew i saw discussion somewhere but couldnt remember which thread it was.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:31 am

The ECF President's take on this, writing for a general audience.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... -quiz.html

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:15 pm

Oh, is he not doing Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrew this week? I thought we might be due an update.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Chris Rice » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:32 pm

The list of Q2 Presidential Board decisions came out today and yes for the most part it is as boring as it sounds. However, some way down the list was the following decision:

"Q2PB-2019/27 To request all materials regarding violations of Anti-Cheating Guidelines by Mr. Mark Morgunov during the 2018 European Youth Championship."

Here's an article containing the allegations against Mark Morgunov. Another mobile in the toilet situation.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:56 pm

Dunno if I'm missing something, but does that piece have an author?
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Chris Rice » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:20 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:56 pm
Dunno if I'm missing something, but does that piece have an author?
It's another Austrian player, Saro Khachatouri rated Elo 2005.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:24 pm

Ta. Can you tell that from the blog, and I just missed it?
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:28 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:24 pm
Ta. Can you tell that from the blog, and I just missed it?
https://improveinchess.wordpress.com/my ... tsresults/

and follow the link, but I agree it's annoying.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:36 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:32 pm
The list of Q2 Presidential Board decisions came out today and yes for the most part it is as boring as it sounds.
There's also this

https://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEW ... _final.pdf

which contains
2. Calls upon all tournament organizers to avail themselves of all recourse that the legal system of their country provides against cheating and to submit relevant evidence to law enforcement agencies to facilitate the investigation and prosecution of matters
In the UK would the offence used in the case of the coughing Millionaire Major be available? Pecuniary advantage by deception was it not?

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:17 pm

Most offences would have to classified as an attempt rather than the full offence. With mobiles phones going equipped to steal might fit. There probably aren’t many police officers who understand the chess world to any degree, so they’d probably need a lot of help to get their heads around it all.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:04 am

Hartston's "How to cheat at chess" suggested it was possible to retire to a cubicle to analyse on a pocket set. The additional suggestion as illustrated by a Bill Tidy cartoon was that the supplied paper could be utilised for recording the analysis. At least some of the material in that book had a basis in fact. So is cubicle analysis as recently illustrated by Rausis a long standing master technique? You wonder too about the signalling method employed in the England v France game in the Olympiad in Siberia. That didn't necessarily need computers.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Nick Grey » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:45 am

i'm all for life time chess bans. Especially as we are not a sport in this country.
As for reporting to the authorities for criminal offences in this country cameras in toilets may come up against unauthorised surveillance. Police officers have more important crimes to investigate. Let us try not to cough. Some of us have enough problems of having to get up, walk, and visit the toilet, measure our sugars by blood testing and injecting and taking drugs.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:01 am

The trouble with lifetime bans is that they are very difficult to enforce, and a player faces no further consequences for trying to evade them.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Jacques Parry » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:59 am

Matt Bridgeman wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:17 pm
Most offences would have to [be] classified as an attempt rather than the full offence.
That was the position until 2007, but the law was then changed. Oddly, the new offence of "fraud by false representation" is committed by someone who dishonestly makes a false representation for gain, even if the gain is not in fact obtained. So the cheat commits the full offence, not just an attempt, by falsely adopting the demeanour of an honest player.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:40 am

So for a player who is being signalled to, you’d have a dishonesty offence for the player. Would you have aiding and abetting for the the signaller? I think from a law enforcement perspective signalling will be very hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Full and frank admissions in interview seem quite unlikely.

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