British Championship Congress 2019

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:45 am

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:09 pm
Shocking turn around in Emms-Haria. John Emms was clearly winning, and then managed to lose.
I was going to write that I could imagine that 29 Qf4 looked fuzzy and difficult, but I couldn't see why White didn't just play safe with 29 Qd4. Then I noticed 29...Rxh3 30 gxh3 Ng5 and there's a lot of forks on the board without much time on the clock.
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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Neill Cooper » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:27 am

Nick Ivell wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:20 am
There is a difference between breaking the rules and cheating.

Have the rules been broken? Yes. Is loss of the game a reasonable penalty? Absolutely.
Which shows that it is the rules which are wrong, not the arbiters or the players.
Any rule which when broken which results in immediate forfeit of the game should relate to a deliberate act, nor one performed accidentally.
An obvious improvement to the rule would be to have a warning on the first offense. That way any accidental offender will have the rules explained to them.

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:52 am

"Any rule which when broken which results in immediate forfeit of the game should relate to a deliberate act, nor one performed accidentally.
An obvious improvement to the rule would be to have a warning on the first offense. That way any accidental offender will have the rules explained to them."

I'm not sure how you accidentally pick up a bag and carry it out of a room. That's surely deliberate? I'm not saying there was any intent to do anything except stopping people stealing his bag.

The Laws of Hockey presumably still have a provision that a deliberate offence by a defender in the "D" is punished by a penalty stroke and an accidental one by a short corner. The umpire then has to guess whether something is deliberate. Nightmare.

Ambiguous rules don't help. Surely school teachers enforce rules all the time, and cannot worry if Smith did something accidentally and Jones did it deliberately.

Suppose you do warn anyone for the first offence of taking a bag out of the room, if there's one arbiter, (s)he has to know everybody's name and make a list when it happens. If you happen to have multiple arbiters, they all have to tell each other what's happened. There are better things to do, especially when the players should know exactly what the rules are.

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Chris Rice » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:54 am

Neill Cooper wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:27 am
Nick Ivell wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:20 am
There is a difference between breaking the rules and cheating.

Have the rules been broken? Yes. Is loss of the game a reasonable penalty? Absolutely.
Which shows that it is the rules which are wrong, not the arbiters or the players.
Any rule which when broken which results in immediate forfeit of the game should relate to a deliberate act, nor one performed accidentally.
An obvious improvement to the rule would be to have a warning on the first offense. That way any accidental offender will have the rules explained to them.
Wouldn't this allow potential cheaters to take their turned off mobile to the toilet, switch it on and off, then leave and go back to the board? Presumably they could rinse and repeat till they get a warning and then cease doing it. Well, until the next tournament anyway.
Lorin only got the forfeit of one game. No one thinks he was cheating hence there was no greater penalty. As a professional player he should know the rules, ignorance of them is no defence. We were told every round about mobiles in Torquay and have been for years in FIDE rated tournaments.

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:24 am

Chris Rice wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:54 am
We were told every round about mobiles in Torquay and have been for years in FIDE rated tournaments.
I am convinced that there is positive correlation between people who don't know the rules and those who routinely arrive at the board too late to hear the announcements.

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:29 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:11 am
Prizewinners
Is it really the case that the winner of the U1950 rating prize in the Major Open gets a place in the British Championship next year?

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Adam Raoof » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:37 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:29 pm
Chris Rice wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:11 am
Prizewinners
Is it really the case that the winner of the U1950 rating prize in the Major Open gets a place in the British Championship next year?
Maybe he won the rating prize and separately earned his BCQ?

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Chris Rice » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:43 pm

Adam Raoof wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:37 pm
Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:29 pm
Chris Rice wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:11 am
Prizewinners
Is it really the case that the winner of the U1950 rating prize in the Major Open gets a place in the British Championship next year?
Maybe he won the rating prize and separately earned his BCQ?
Yes that's what happened as he finished on 6/9

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Geoff Chandler » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:48 pm

Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:09 pm
Shocking turn around in Emms-Haria. John Emms was clearly winning, and then managed to lose.
It's a great pity that here.


The Queen sac with 28.Bf6 does not quite work.

John obviously does not know the old itchy elbow trick.
Whilst reaching out with your right hand to play the Bishop to f6
at the same time pretend to scratch your right elbow and whilst
playing your Bf6 move slip the King to h2 with the back of your left hand.


Now it works!

28.Bf6 Rxh4 29.Rxh4 Nh7 30.Rxh7 Kxh7. 31.Kg3.



Of course Ravi could have countered with the 'sudden cramp maneuver'.
You jump up clutching your calf screaming 'Cramp!' and knock the pieces all over
the place. The game is replayed from the scoresheet and the King is back on h1.

Complete game. (without the old itchy elbow trick)

John Emms - Ravi Haria, round 9, British Championship 2019


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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:49 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:43 pm

Yes that's what happened as he finished on 6/9
According to https://www.britishchesschampionships.c ... regs-2019/, the qualification rules for 2019 and by implication 2020 were
Section A – Qualification from the British Championships

1 – British Champions
2 – British Ladies/Women’s Champions
3 – Top 20 players and ties in the 2018 British Championship
4 – Top 10 players and ties in the 2018 Major Open
5 – Highest-scoring female player and female players who tied with them in the 2018 Major Open, if no female players qualify under A4 above
6 – 2018 British Under 21 Champion
7 – 2018 British Under 18 Champion
8 – 2018 British Under 16 Champion
9 – 2018 British Over 50 Champion
If rule 5 applies to 2020, they haven't announced a qualifier. I think it would be Ali Roy of Scotland.

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Matt Bridgeman » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:12 pm

Yes I was thinking they’d missed the female qualifier off too. Doh!

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Ian Thompson » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:34 pm

No comment on who's qualified from the over 50 Championship either - all three players who tied for first, or just one of them after a tie-break?

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:52 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:34 pm
No comment on who's qualified from the over 50 Championship either - all three players who tied for first, or just one of them after a tie-break?
All three, I think.

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Re: British Championship Congress 2019

Post by Geoff Chandler » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:56 pm

Prize winners.

Rapidplay
1st= Andrew Lewis (Manningtree); James Sherwin

Is that the same James Sherwin who is game one in Fischer's 60MG's.

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