19th Century Oil Portrait of World Chess Champion Howard Staunton
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19th Century Oil Portrait of World Chess Champion Howard Staunton
See https://www.ebay.com/itm/19th-Century-O ... 4235344210
The above eBay item was drawn to my attention.
Anyone have an opinion on it ?
Is it genuine ?
The above eBay item was drawn to my attention.
Anyone have an opinion on it ?
Is it genuine ?
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Re: 19th Century Oil Portrait of World Chess Champion Howard Staunton
John, I am not clear from where the seller got the date 1830 but Sir George Hayter was in Paris from 1828 to 1831. I am no expert but this work is not signed by Hayter. If you were young Staunton and spending a lot of money on a painting by a well known artist (although not yet appointed by Queen Victoria), I would make sure that my painting was signed, not so much to ensure its resale value but also to show my friends.
If it was a genuine Hayter (and it may still be - it would need an expert in Victorian portraiture), $20,000 dollars would be about right. However, it's on EBay which would cause me all sorts of doubts. If the vendor thinks it's a genuine Hayter, then he should take it to a reputable auction house where he would certainly make his money if he is right. As it is, I reckon (and it's obviously my personal view) that this is a good painting (possibly of Staunton) by an unidentified Victorian artist and I'd expect it to make in the low hundreds at auction.
If it was a genuine Hayter (and it may still be - it would need an expert in Victorian portraiture), $20,000 dollars would be about right. However, it's on EBay which would cause me all sorts of doubts. If the vendor thinks it's a genuine Hayter, then he should take it to a reputable auction house where he would certainly make his money if he is right. As it is, I reckon (and it's obviously my personal view) that this is a good painting (possibly of Staunton) by an unidentified Victorian artist and I'd expect it to make in the low hundreds at auction.
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Re: 19th Century Oil Portrait of World Chess Champion Howard Staunton
I was so excited by this I almost clicked 'buy it now'!
It is a very good portrait, and an almost uniquely appropriate subject that could not have been set up by the painter or an amateur.
If I had the money, I would make them an offer. But it would be a low offer.
It is a very good portrait, and an almost uniquely appropriate subject that could not have been set up by the painter or an amateur.
If I had the money, I would make them an offer. But it would be a low offer.
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The hair parting seems about right. Also the position on the board is that difficult mate with B + N, something a strong chess player would choose as an example of their prowess, even now.
Otherwise, this is one for 'Fake or Fortune'.
Otherwise, this is one for 'Fake or Fortune'.
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The response (via Twitter) of Ray Keene has been :
"Never heard of it and it doesn’t look much like Staunton to me!"
and he posted a picture of his own :
with the following comment :
This is the original of Staunton which I own. It looks considerably more convincing than the callow youth in the $20,000 version.
"Never heard of it and it doesn’t look much like Staunton to me!"
and he posted a picture of his own :
with the following comment :
This is the original of Staunton which I own. It looks considerably more convincing than the callow youth in the $20,000 version.
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Re: 19th Century Oil Portrait of World Chess Champion Howard Staunton
Wonder if this was painted by Barry Martin, a friend of Ray Keene.
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A reply from the vendor :
Hello John
The answers to your questions are in the listing
Painter seems to have been George Hayter, who was Queen Victoria’s own personal portrait artist. The brush strokes and style are a match, although the work appears to be unsigned
The Painting was Created in 1830, according to the seller, but the Exact history is unknown to me
However the work matches what we know about the life of Howard Staunton:
Born in 1810, He was the illegitimate son of a Royal who died when Howard was 15 and left him lots of money, which he is said to have squandered within 10 years
Let me know if u have any further questions about this.
Cheers!
Judee
Hello John
The answers to your questions are in the listing
Painter seems to have been George Hayter, who was Queen Victoria’s own personal portrait artist. The brush strokes and style are a match, although the work appears to be unsigned
The Painting was Created in 1830, according to the seller, but the Exact history is unknown to me
However the work matches what we know about the life of Howard Staunton:
Born in 1810, He was the illegitimate son of a Royal who died when Howard was 15 and left him lots of money, which he is said to have squandered within 10 years
Let me know if u have any further questions about this.
Cheers!
Judee
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Re: 19th Century Oil Portrait of World Chess Champion Howard Staunton
"Born in 1810, He was the illegitimate son of a Royal who died when Howard was 15 and left him lots of money, which he is said to have squandered within 10 years"
John, I agree with the first three words. Who is the royal who is said to have died in 1825 from which everything seems to follow.
John, I agree with the first three words. Who is the royal who is said to have died in 1825 from which everything seems to follow.
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This has been discredited following research from John Townsend.John Moore wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:20 pm"Born in 1810, He was the illegitimate son of a Royal who died when Howard was 15 and left him lots of money, which he is said to have squandered within 10 years"
John, I agree with the first three words. Who is the royal who is said to have died in 1825 from which everything seems to follow.
HJR Murray suggested the 5th Earl of Carlisle but JT disproves this
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Re: 19th Century Oil Portrait of World Chess Champion Howard Staunton
Thanks John. Thought it was the usual mishmash to try and provide a provenance that doesn't exist.
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I am not an art expert, in fact, I know nothing, but it looks not too different from some of his self-portraits (if it is a George Hayter.) Could it be a John Hayter?
But as it's on Ebay, I have doubts. Meanwhile I have an email from a total stranger beginning "Dearest beloved in Christ", that wants to give me $60 million, so I must formulate a response.
But as it's on Ebay, I have doubts. Meanwhile I have an email from a total stranger beginning "Dearest beloved in Christ", that wants to give me $60 million, so I must formulate a response.
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Dearest beloved Kevin, I have no paid arbiting work because of the pandemic. Please will you give me 1% of your largesse, namely $600,000.Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:16 pmMeanwhile I have an email from a total stranger beginning "Dearest beloved in Christ", that wants to give me $60 million, so I must formulate a response.
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Re: 19th Century Oil Portrait of World Chess Champion Howard Staunton
If I get the money, I'll do that immediately!
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PlausiblyJohn Moore wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:44 pmWonder if this was painted by Barry Martin, a friend of Ray Keene.
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Was the difference between the first and second editions the words "first" and "second" on the front cover ?JustinHorton wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:09 pmPlausiblyJohn Moore wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:44 pmWonder if this was painted by Barry Martin, a friend of Ray Keene.
I'm thinking of Flank Openings which used the words first, second, third and fourth as I recall.
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