Carlsen Problem

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by NigelDonovan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:31 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:15 pm
I have a solution, but it involves Black making a capture - I assume that is allowed?
Yes, that's allowed.

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by NigelDonovan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:34 pm

Kevin Thurlow wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:07 pm
"I've got 34. Do I win a prize?"

You deserve one!
Thanks! It was fun. Chris, do you know how many solutions there are? I have 39 now.

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by E Michael White » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:54 pm

In the original problem I got to around 153, with waiting moves and transpositions included, before I gave up when I realised those were probably not intended. However I did work out an algorithm for removing the transpositions.

The line I find the most amusing, which Nigel also found, is Ng5 Ne6 Qg4 Qxg6 Qxg7, which reminded me of some of my combinations when a 5 year old.

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by John Foley » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:41 pm

This is an example of a great chess problem to which the answer is 39. The other question to which the answer is 39 is "What is the value of a chess army?" Are there any others?

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:53 pm

NigelDonovan wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:31 pm
Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:15 pm
I have a solution, but it involves Black making a capture - I assume that is allowed?
Yes, that's allowed.
Well, shall I post it yet?
"Set up your attacks so that when the fire is out, it isn't out!" (H N Pillsbury)

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by John Foley » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:41 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:53 pm
Well, shall I post it yet?
You are champing at the bit. Go for it.

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:13 pm

1 f3 e6 (or e5) 2 Kf2 Qf6! 3Kg3 Qf3+!!!!! 4Kh4 Be7 :)
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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by Chris Rice » Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:16 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:13 pm
1 f3 e6 (or e5) 2 Kf2 Qf6! 3Kg3 Qf3+!!!!! 4Kh4 Be7 :)
Well done Matt!!

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:12 pm

Originally my thought was Qg5 mate supported by a pawn, but that takes a minimum of 5 moves because you also need to attack the h3 square.

If that is out of the question, using the KB to give mate is one of the next options. And so......
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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by Matthew Turner » Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:39 am

Chris Rice wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:32 am
I have been attending a ECU teaching course with Jesper Hall and John Foley over the last couple of days. During the course it transpired that Norway wasn't really geared up to help juniors when Magnus first started showing promise and they ended up reaching out to Sweden to provide him with some proper professional coaching. In stepped Jesper and he coached him till he was about 11 and is still coaching the Norwegian chess team even now.

Anyway Jesper showed us a problem he gave to young Magnus:



This is a Progressive chess problem. It is White to play and you can play up to 5 moves with White in a row to find a checkmate. I say that because there is a mate in 4 in there as well eg Nh4xg6 and Nd5xe7 mate. Jesper asked Magnus to find as many checkmates as he could and he found 13.
Sorry if I have missed it, but have we had Bh6 e5 Qd3 Qxg6 Qxg7 yet?

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by Matthew Turner » Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:49 am

Ne5 (or g5) Nxf7 Bc4 Nd5 Nxe7

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by NigelDonovan » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:47 am

Matthew Turner wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:39 am


Sorry if I have missed it, but have we had Bh6 e5 Qd3 Qxg6 Qxg7 yet?
No, I missed that one. That's 40.

And the brutal Ng5 Qf3 Qxf6 Qxg6 Qxh7 makes it 41.

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by Richard Bates » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:25 am

So basically Magnus is a bit rubbish then?

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by John Foley » Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:09 pm

Richard Bates wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:25 am
So basically Magnus is a bit rubbish then?
Not as a blindfold exercise for 9 year-olds.

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Re: Carlsen Problem

Post by NigelDonovan » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:30 am

42 Ng5 Ne6 Qd2 Qh6 Qxg7

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