Why do you say that?
Any further changes expected.
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NickFaulks
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Re: Any further changes expected.
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Geoff Chandler
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Re: Any further changes expected.
Hi Tim,
Maybe safer to say adjournments have been suspended.
Due to strength of computers doubt if they will ever come back.
(this is the main trouble I have with the bods who like to compare modern players blundering in an endgame
comparing how 'easy' a past master did it. They had a break and had a lot of it was worked out before resumption.)
It's also slightly off topic (my fault) because adjournments have nothing really to do
with the rules of the game or how the pieces move, this is a time control matter.
Think three fold rep rules were made standard and sorted out in the 1920's (just checked wiki - correct)
I knew they had to add in the castling and en passant option later (could not recall when...apparently 1975)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold ... f_the_rule
Maybe safer to say adjournments have been suspended.
Due to strength of computers doubt if they will ever come back.
(this is the main trouble I have with the bods who like to compare modern players blundering in an endgame
comparing how 'easy' a past master did it. They had a break and had a lot of it was worked out before resumption.)
It's also slightly off topic (my fault) because adjournments have nothing really to do
with the rules of the game or how the pieces move, this is a time control matter.
Think three fold rep rules were made standard and sorted out in the 1920's (just checked wiki - correct)
I knew they had to add in the castling and en passant option later (could not recall when...apparently 1975)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold ... f_the_rule
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Tim Spanton
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Re: Any further changes expected.
But according to the rule I quoted, and Nick Faulks confirmed, adjournments have not been suspended - they are still in the Fide rule-book.Geoff Chandler wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:30 pmHi Tim,
Maybe safer to say adjournments have been suspended.
Due to strength of computers doubt if they will ever come back.
(this is the main trouble I have with the bods who like to compare modern players blundering in an endgame
comparing how 'easy' a past master did it. They had a break and had a lot of it was worked out before resumption.)
It's also slightly off topic (my fault) because adjournments have nothing really to do
with the rules of the game or how the pieces move, this is a time control matter.
Think three fold rep rules were made standard and sorted out in the 1920's (just checked wiki - correct)
I knew they had to add in the castling and en passant option later (could not recall when...apparently 1975)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold ... f_the_rule
Perhaps allowing Fischer-increment clocks is a major relatively-recent change?
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Actually I did think of another possible rule change for the future - those Google glasses that you can get might have to be regulated if it is possible for a player to view a chess site or app while wearing them
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Nick Ivell
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I think the initial poster wanted to talk about the LAWS of chess. Castling, en passant, that sort of thing. All this stuff about adjournments is merely procedure.
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Tim Spanton
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Re: Any further changes expected.
Adjournments are part of the laws (indeed "adjourn" is the first item in the Fide "Glossary of terms in the Laws of Chess," at least in the latest edition I have found - although admittedly this is due to the alphabet rather than to importance)Nick Ivell wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:19 pmI think the initial poster wanted to talk about the LAWS of chess. Castling, en passant, that sort of thing. All this stuff about adjournments is merely procedure.
Glossary of terms in the Laws of Chess
The number after the term refers to the first time it appears in the Laws.
adjourn: 8.1. Instead of playing the game in one session it is temporarily halted and then continued
at a later time.
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Adjournments are for serious players only. The basic laws apply to all players: from a world title match to a game of skittles in the pub.
Or have I misunderstood the original poster?
Or have I misunderstood the original poster?
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Tim Spanton
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Re: Any further changes expected.
No - probably me got it wrong!Nick Ivell wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:30 pmAdjournments are for serious players only. The basic laws apply to all players: from a world title match to a game of skittles in the pub.
Or have I misunderstood the original poster?
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Well I was thinking more in terms of the rules of the game, for example a change in castling to allow free castling (something I'd be in favour of). With technology I suspect many more changes in procedure are coming. I am reliably informed its extremely easy to cheat in chess if you want but I don't want to say what I was told in case someone goes ahead with it, although it will cost about a hundred quid to get the piece of technology required.
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John McKenna
Re: Any further changes expected.
"With technology I suspect many more changes in procedure are coming."
From the FIDE Online Olympiad 2020: Information for Players - Other Rules
"The following will result in a draw if the player with the pawn flags -
K + N v. K + P
K + B v. K + P
(Note that this goes for any pawn including a and h pawns.)
These will be scored automatically by the server as draws for our competition even though this is not in accordance with the FIDE Laws of Chess."
Also included among several automatic draws, due to "insufficienf material", by the server is -
K + B v. K + B (even bishops of opposite colour)
Is that in accordance with the FIDE Laws?
From the FIDE Online Olympiad 2020: Information for Players - Other Rules
"The following will result in a draw if the player with the pawn flags -
K + N v. K + P
K + B v. K + P
(Note that this goes for any pawn including a and h pawns.)
These will be scored automatically by the server as draws for our competition even though this is not in accordance with the FIDE Laws of Chess."
Also included among several automatic draws, due to "insufficienf material", by the server is -
K + B v. K + B (even bishops of opposite colour)
Is that in accordance with the FIDE Laws?
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Re: Any further changes expected.
Servers came up with a number of automatic draw awards. That may have been for the simple reason that the system designers and programmers were not familiar with relatively obscure interpretations. That King plus Knight v King plus Knight can be won on time being one of them.
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Re: Any further changes expected.
Servers implementing the "draw after 75 moves" rule would be a good start. This recent game was actually drawn after move 203 according to FIDE rules.MJMcCready wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:48 amWith technology I suspect many more changes in procedure are coming.
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NickFaulks
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Online regulations are different in far more significant ways than that. How about touch move?
Perhaps that doesn't count as Laws.
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Touch-move is surely part of the laws, but may be the most widely flouted law in casual chess
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Re: Any further changes expected.
Though that one has also been ascribed to the semi-legendary US "coffee house" king George Treysman.MJMcCready wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:19 pmThere are wacky variants and also liberty takers. G.H.Diggle made me laugh when he witnessed someone castle with the salt cellar on the tray of a passing waiter.Joey Stewart wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:56 pmI think there are more then enough wacky variants of the game if you want a different version of chess, but the core rules seem very solid to me and not in any major need to change.
The only thing that might be a good simplification is allowing castling through check - I think that one must be a source of many a dispute and the only players who it would really hurt are those players that go for irritating early attacks, and nobody likes those types anyway.
Who is also claimed to have practised "free" castling, supposedly telling objectors "you castle your way, and I will castle my way"
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