But 7 years after Clemens Allwermann had an outstandingly good tournament.Matt Bridgeman wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:08 pmSounds like he was ahead of his time - way back in 2006! Wins over Smirin and Bartholomew too
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While we are on the subject of cheating, did anyone else ever think topalov cheated when he won the world championship in that tournament years ago, his wins all looked like they came straight out of an engine, and to top it off he then took the initiative and accused kramnik of cheating in their next championship match....methinks he doth protest too much
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.
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The recent systematic Russian doping program which led to a world wide ban on Russian athletes makes for interesting reading. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_Russia
There’s also an well made documentary on the subject called Icarus (Netflix). It was pretty eye opening ‘James Bond’ type stuff they got up to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarus_(2017_film)
I wonder if the Russian state gave any thought to a chess cheating program, but perhaps gave up on the idea as more trouble than it was worth?
There’s also an well made documentary on the subject called Icarus (Netflix). It was pretty eye opening ‘James Bond’ type stuff they got up to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icarus_(2017_film)
I wonder if the Russian state gave any thought to a chess cheating program, but perhaps gave up on the idea as more trouble than it was worth?
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Perhaps you should read "The KGB Plays Chess".Matt Bridgeman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:41 amI wonder if the Russian state gave any thought to a chess cheating program, but perhaps gave up on the idea as more trouble than it was worth?
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Perhaps he shouldn't: its reputation for sourcing its claims is not the best.
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Yes, some people suspected this.Joey Stewart wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:27 amWhile we are on the subject of cheating, did anyone else ever think topalov cheated when he won the world championship in that tournament years ago, his wins all looked like they came straight out of an engine, and to top it off he then took the initiative and accused kramnik of cheating in their next championship match....methinks he doth protest too much
No, there has never been any credible evidence put forward.
Given that, I think Topa is entitled to the benefit of the doubt (even though, yes, his/Danailov's behaviour the following year was unethical)
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One theory relating to Topalov's accusations against Kramnik was that he was getting revenge after being accused previously.
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If you search "Intrinsic Ratings Compendium Ken Regan" you can see Ken's analysis on page 12. On the face of it, it doesn't suggest anything suspicious.Joey Stewart wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:27 amWhile we are on the subject of cheating, did anyone else ever think topalov cheated when he won the world championship in that tournament years ago, his wins all looked like they came straight out of an engine, and to top it off he then took the initiative and accused kramnik of cheating in their next championship match....methinks he doth protest too much
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That search brings up 258000 matches but I think the relevant link would be https://cse.buffalo.edu/~regan/papers/pdf/Reg12IPRs.pdfMatthew Turner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:29 pmIf you search "Intrinsic Ratings Compendium Ken Regan" you can see Ken's analysis on page 12. On the face of it, it doesn't suggest anything suspicious.Joey Stewart wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:27 amWhile we are on the subject of cheating, did anyone else ever think topalov cheated when he won the world championship in that tournament years ago, his wins all looked like they came straight out of an engine, and to top it off he then took the initiative and accused kramnik of cheating in their next championship match....methinks he doth protest too much
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I thought the suggestion had been that in some way his second may have been able to signal assessments. Whilst receiving the news that "engine says you are worse/better" is probably useful and something that current arrangements would seek to prevent, it's not going to lead to anything detectable by an engine matching process.Matthew Turner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:29 pmOn the face of it, it doesn't suggest anything suspicious.
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In 1986 Karpov expressed concerns before the match that Kasparov's seconds could see him. He was not accusing Gary of cheating. Simply that he might gain sustenance from the way they looked.
So It was agreed the seconds would always sit in the same place and the two players would change positions when white or black. Of course it is easier to make eye contact when sitting diagonally opposite.
There were no further comments about that.
So It was agreed the seconds would always sit in the same place and the two players would change positions when white or black. Of course it is easier to make eye contact when sitting diagonally opposite.
There were no further comments about that.
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It must have been hard to be a second and kept a completely stoic expression the whole time, I'm sure everyone at some point or other has nodded approval at a good move by a team mate and in a way it could be seen as helping validate the plan they just engaged even if not intended as such
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Matthew Turner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:29 pm
If you search "Intrinsic Ratings Compendium Ken Regan" you can see Ken's analysis on page 12. On the face of it, it doesn't suggest anything suspicious.
I don't think it was ever going to be detectable based on looking for a high match rate. Engine or not, Topalov is a still a very good player who obviously wouldn't need assistance for an entire game - an advantage garnered in a critical position would have been more then enough for him to convert with his own wits
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You're basically accusing him of cheating based on nothing, aren't you?
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