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Have you seen this game previously ?

Post by John Upham » Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:25 pm

Whilst reviewing a book I encountered this position :



with Black to move.

The players are given as Wiler - Hell and the year 1964.

It is a rather nice combination and I was keen (but not Keene) to find the full score of the game.

I tried a position search in MegaBase 2020 and Correspondence 2020 and failed miserably.

Chess Assistant did not provide any assistance.

Can you help please ?

Thanks ! :D
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Post by Matt Mackenzie » Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:09 pm

Isn't the answer to the thread title "well yes, we have now"?

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Post by John Upham » Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:29 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:09 pm
Isn't the answer to the thread title "well yes, we have now"?

(sorry)
yes, I fell for that hook, line and sinker !

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Post by John Moore » Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:41 am

I wondered whether it might be from Chess Combination as a Fine Art edited by Golz and Keres but I can't currently find either of my copies. A lot of Kurt Richter's examples from the book are of little known players. Might be totally wrong, but perhaps someone who has a copy of the book and is better organised than me could have a look. Of course, even if it is in there, the book only gives the concluding moves of combinations, not the whole game.

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Post by John Upham » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:16 am

I tried the superb Encyclopedia of Chess Combinations (4th Ed.) with no joy and Combination in Chess by Gyorgy Negyesy and Jozsef Hegyi which also was silent.
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Post by Leonard Barden » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:26 am

Wheeler,GW - Hall,A [E84]

Kent v Sussex in London board 4, 07.11.1964

1.c4 g6 2.Nc3 Bg7 3.d4 Nf6 4.e4 d6 5.f3 Nc6 6.Be3 a6 7.Nge2 0–0 8.Qd2 Rb8 9.g4 b5 10.cxb5 axb5 11.Ng3 b4 12.Nd1 e5 13.d5 Nd4 14.Be2 b3 15.Bxd4 exd4 16.a3 Nd7 17.Nf2 Qh4 18.f4 Nc5 19.0–0–0 Na4 20.Qd3 Rb6 21.Qc4 Ba6 22.Qxa4 Bxe2 23.Nxe2 Qxf2 24.Qc4 Qe3+ 25.Kb1 Qxe4+ 26.Ka1 c5 27.dxc6 Rxc6 28.Qd3 Qg2 29.Nxd4 Ra8 30.Qd2 Rc1+! 31.Qxc1 Rxa3+ 32.Kb1 Ra1+ 33.Kxa1 Qa8+ Sources: Annual report of the Sussex Chess Association and Worthing Gazette of 6.10.1965. 0–1

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Post by NickFaulks » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:29 am

Leonard Barden wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:26 am
Wheeler,GW - Hall,A [E84]

Kent v Sussex in London board 4, 07.11.1964
How does he do it?
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Post by Leonard Barden » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:46 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:29 am
Leonard Barden wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:26 am
Wheeler,GW - Hall,A [E84]

Kent v Sussex in London board 4, 07.11.1964
How does he do it?
Simples.
1 I knew I had seen this position before.
2 The names looked a typical translation corruption by the Chess Informant people.
3 Hell > Hall.
4 Arthur Hall was a friend and 1964 was a peak year for his sharp tactical style.
5 Google Search
6 Link via this forum's (!) 2015 Arthur Hall thread, John Saunders post and link:
7 https://hastingschess.proboards.com/thr ... rthur-hall

Total time: approx 5 minutes

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Post by John Upham » Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:46 am

Leonard Barden wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:26 am
Wheeler,GW - Hall,A [E84]

Kent v Sussex in London board 4, 07.11.1964

1.c4 g6 2.Nc3 Bg7 3.d4 Nf6 4.e4 d6 5.f3 Nc6 6.Be3 a6 7.Nge2 0–0 8.Qd2 Rb8 9.g4 b5 10.cxb5 axb5 11.Ng3 b4 12.Nd1 e5 13.d5 Nd4 14.Be2 b3 15.Bxd4 exd4 16.a3 Nd7 17.Nf2 Qh4 18.f4 Nc5 19.0–0–0 Na4 20.Qd3 Rb6 21.Qc4 Ba6 22.Qxa4 Bxe2 23.Nxe2 Qxf2 24.Qc4 Qe3+ 25.Kb1 Qxe4+ 26.Ka1 c5 27.dxc6 Rxc6 28.Qd3 Qg2 29.Nxd4 Ra8 30.Qd2 Rc1+! 31.Qxc1 Rxa3+ 32.Kb1 Ra1+ 33.Kxa1 Qa8+ Sources: Annual report of the Sussex Chess Association and Worthing Gazette of 6.10.1965. 0–1

Wow ! Many, many thanks Leonard. That is impressive to say the least.
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Post by John Moore » Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:57 pm

Brilliant, Leonard. And there was I looking for a German player called Hess in the 1960s.

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Post by John Upham » Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:10 pm

John Moore wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:57 pm
Brilliant, Leonard. And there was I looking for a German player called Hess in the 1960s.
Did he take up ballet whilst a guest in Spandau?
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Post by Paul Cooksey » Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:24 pm

In passing, John could have called this thread "Happy Birthday Yakov Neistadt". He is 97 today.

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Post by John Upham » Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:02 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:24 pm
In passing, John could have called this thread "Happy Birthday Yakov Neistadt". He is 97 today.
Indeed Paul ! He wrote one of my favourite tactics books : Improve Your Chess Tactics : excellent.
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