Late-starting chess players with grandmaster potential?
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Late-starting chess players with grandmaster potential?
Hello all,
Thank you for having me in this forum. I'm a writer/editor (who has been playing a lot of chess during lockdown!) and have been thinking a lot about late-starting chess players with grandmaster potential.
I was wondering if anyone in this forum was aware of players who have started playing chess seriously in, say, their mid-20s/early 30s and are showing potential of reaching grandmaster level? If not soon, then perhaps in years to come.
I would really love to speak to anyone who fits that bill and hear more about what that journey is like "later" in life. I would also be curious to hear thoughts on this matter from those who have been more immersed in the world of chess over the years than I have.
Thank you so much !
Will
Thank you for having me in this forum. I'm a writer/editor (who has been playing a lot of chess during lockdown!) and have been thinking a lot about late-starting chess players with grandmaster potential.
I was wondering if anyone in this forum was aware of players who have started playing chess seriously in, say, their mid-20s/early 30s and are showing potential of reaching grandmaster level? If not soon, then perhaps in years to come.
I would really love to speak to anyone who fits that bill and hear more about what that journey is like "later" in life. I would also be curious to hear thoughts on this matter from those who have been more immersed in the world of chess over the years than I have.
Thank you so much !
Will
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Re: Late-starting chess players with grandmaster potential?
The latest we're likely to come up from recent years is mid-teens. Arguably if you don't "get it" by the time you are in the final years at school or at university, you never will.willcoldwell wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:37 pmI was wondering if anyone in this forum was aware of players who have started playing chess seriously in, say, their mid-20s/early 30s and are showing potential of reaching grandmaster level? If not soon, then perhaps in years to come.
One I recall personally was James Adair. He first appeared on the ECF grading list in 2005 at a very modest level, but rapidly advanced. He was born in 1992 and has been close to a GM title for some years. But he's not a full time player.
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Is Jonathan Hawkins anything close to what we're looking for. I assume not really, but are there any examples from the past of world-class players who learned the moves relatively late? I'm sure we've discussed this before on here, but can't think of any useful search terms.
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Re: Late-starting chess players with grandmaster potential?
Chigorin is often cited historically in this context? Though that far back all such claims are liable to have scanty corroboration.
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I'm not sure how much of a help this is but I do know of a player who learnt how to play chess and started playing at the age of 108 but he never went on to become a Grand master.
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I have heard a few IMs say if you are pretty good and put the hours in, you'll get there. I do believe about 6 years ago a student placed a bet at a bookmakers that he would become a grand master before shacking up with some chinese babe and scooting off there.
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Thanks for these responses – I'll definitely have a look into these.
Jonathan Hawkins sounds like someone definitely worth speaking to – thanks for the tip – I'm wondering if there's someone out there shooting to be "the next Jonathan Hawkins"...!?
(Though I do recognise that I may be scouting around for someone exceptional...)
Jonathan Hawkins sounds like someone definitely worth speaking to – thanks for the tip – I'm wondering if there's someone out there shooting to be "the next Jonathan Hawkins"...!?
(Though I do recognise that I may be scouting around for someone exceptional...)
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Do you know any more about this guy!?MJMcCready wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:30 pmI have heard a few IMs say if you are pretty good and put the hours in, you'll get there. I do believe about 6 years ago a student placed a bet at a bookmakers that he would become a grand master before shacking up with some chinese babe and scooting off there.
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Re: Late-starting chess players with grandmaster potential?
Actually might just have been this exchangeJustinHorton wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:05 pmIs Jonathan Hawkins anything close to what we're looking for. I assume not really, but are there any examples from the past of world-class players who learned the moves relatively late? I'm sure we've discussed this before on here, but can't think of any useful search terms.
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
lostontime.blogspot.com
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
lostontime.blogspot.com
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Are we talking about Will Taylor? (May have knocked it on the head after a disastrous 2019, not that there's been any chess this year.)willcoldwell wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:34 pmDo you know any more about this guy!?MJMcCready wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:30 pmI have heard a few IMs say if you are pretty good and put the hours in, you'll get there. I do believe about 6 years ago a student placed a bet at a bookmakers that he would become a grand master before shacking up with some chinese babe and scooting off there.
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
lostontime.blogspot.com
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
lostontime.blogspot.com
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Thanks for this – he sounds really close to what I'm looking for!JustinHorton wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:42 pmAre we talking about Will Taylor? (May have knocked it on the head after a disastrous 2019, not that there's been any chess this year.)willcoldwell wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:34 pmDo you know any more about this guy!?MJMcCready wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:30 pmI have heard a few IMs say if you are pretty good and put the hours in, you'll get there. I do believe about 6 years ago a student placed a bet at a bookmakers that he would become a grand master before shacking up with some chinese babe and scooting off there.
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I recall coming up against a 15-year-old whom I'd never heard of in a junior county match back in 1963, thinking I should secure a routine win against this unknown player, but finding myself on the slightly worse end of a draw. The name temporarily escapes me but I believe he ended up as both a GM and The Times chess correspondent.
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It is Will Taylor and you can follow his story herewillcoldwell wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:34 pmDo you know any more about this guy!?MJMcCready wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:30 pmI have heard a few IMs say if you are pretty good and put the hours in, you'll get there. I do believe about 6 years ago a student placed a bet at a bookmakers that he would become a grand master before shacking up with some chinese babe and scooting off there.
http://roadtograndmaster.com
In English chess I think you'll find a number of examples of players starting in their mid teens and reaching IM level, but I cannot think of anybody starting in their 20's or 30's and reaching this sort of level. I'd be very confident there were less than 5 players in the world starting after age 20 and reaching GM level and I would probably expect there to be zero.
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Re: Late-starting chess players with grandmaster potential?
Ray has absolutely loads of games for 1961 on chessgames, and even more for 1962.Roger Lancaster wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:49 pmI recall coming up against a 15-year-old whom I'd never heard of in a junior county match back in 1963, thinking I should secure a routine win against this unknown player, but finding myself on the slightly worse end of a draw. [My insertion - ejh.] The name temporarily escapes me but I believe he ended up as both a GM and The Times chess correspondent.
That's interesting, who are you thinking of?Matthew Turner wrote: ↑Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:51 pmIn English chess I think you'll find a number of examples of players starting in their mid teens and reaching IM level
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
lostontime.blogspot.com
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."
lostontime.blogspot.com
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Justin,
I had a number of names in mind, but I couldn't say for definite. The one that I'm 95% sure about is Mark Ferguson
I had a number of names in mind, but I couldn't say for definite. The one that I'm 95% sure about is Mark Ferguson